I remember reading somewhere that car manufacturers are being
required to report more realistic HP numbers, and that the
worst offenders were the Japs.
It’s happening. For example, the 2006 Toyota Avalon has substantially
less HP and torque than the 2005. Same goes for the 4Runner. Same for
the Honda Accord. Same for Acura:
2005 Acura TL: 270 HP & 238 ftxlbs
2006 Acura TL: 258 HP & 233 ftxlbs
Nissan publishes the same numbers as in 2005.
I wonder if we’re still being lied to.
The SAE has created a new standard for measuring horsepower. It is now
requires that the intake and exhaust systems to be used during the test
are like the ones on the car (not necessarily exactly like the ones on
the car, but with the same performance characteristics). Some
manufacturers are affected more than others. Toyota and Honda seem to
be the worst hit. If you were around in the early 70′s you should
remember a similar hit to horsepower numbers when the SAE procedure was
changed from gross horsepower to net horsepower (Gross horepower was
with wide open intakes and exhausts and accessories driven seperately
(like an electric motor to circulate the water in the engine).
The Detroit news had a table comparing some of the differences from
2005 to 2006 –
Horsepower ratings
Vehicle 2005 2006
Acura MDX 265 253
Acura RL 300 290
Acura RSX 160 155
Chevrolet Corvette LS7 500 505
Cadillac XLR 440 469
Ford Explorer* 210 210
Honda Civic 200 197
Lexus LS430 290 278
Pontiac G6 200 201
Toyota Corolla 130 126
Scion xB 108 103
See:
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/04/11/034631.html
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0508/17/A01-283759.htm
http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=191
Ed
In article <q2Gef.336252$084.171811@attbi_s22>, 223…@sbcglobal.com says…
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>I remember reading somewhere that car manufacturers are being
>required to report more realistic HP numbers, and that the
>worst offenders were the Japs.
>It’s happening. For example, the 2006 Toyota Avalon has substantially
>less HP and torque than the 2005. Same goes for the 4Runner. Same for
>the Honda Accord. Same for Acura:
>2005 Acura TL: 270 HP & 238 ftxlbs
>2006 Acura TL: 258 HP & 233 ftxlbs
>Nissan publishes the same numbers as in 2005.
>I wonder if we’re still being lied to.
It is a new standard for all manufacturers. So they all need to go back and
re-test. Some cars went up, some went down, some stayed the same. Even though
the numbers are slightly different, the Acura TL probably feels the same
whether you have a 2005 or 2006. Not really a big deal as long as everyone is
using the same ruler to measure.
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Alex
223rem wrote:
> I remember reading somewhere that car manufacturers are being
> required to report more realistic HP numbers, and that the
> worst offenders were the Japs.
> It’s happening. For example, the 2006 Toyota Avalon has substantially
> less HP and torque than the 2005. Same goes for the 4Runner. Same for
> the Honda Accord. Same for Acura:
> 2005 Acura TL: 270 HP & 238 ftxlbs
> 2006 Acura TL: 258 HP & 233 ftxlbs
> Nissan publishes the same numbers as in 2005.
> I wonder if we’re still being lied to.
It is a surprise to see "claimed dry weight" or "claimed HP" in many
review magazines. Why these magazines bother to use and re-publish
manufacturers data to public instead of publishing the data they
measure themselves to assure accuracy of their articles? it is not too
hard to put the vehicle on scale or other devices.
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was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving on Wed, 16 Nov 2005
06:17:15 -0700:
> I suppose wedding guests could toss tubes of Vasoline on the couple as they
> leave for a Cornholemoon.
> Hank
Keep this homo bullshit out of the driving groups.
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necromancer