http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/01/07/bc.fbc.marc…
Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
Virginia Tech team.
I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
"Arif Khokar" <akhokar1…@wvu.edu> wrote in message
news:014wf.131$wk5.130@news02.roc.ny…
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/01/07/bc.fbc.marc…
> Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
> it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
> Virginia Tech team.
> I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
> his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
> driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most
> interstates).
> Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
> that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
You forgot to mention that one of the driving-related offenses was actually
racked up by a friend of his, who had borrowed his car. The ticket was sent
to the OWNER of the vehicle, so he was fucked. -Dave
"Arif Khokar" <akhokar1…@wvu.edu> wrote in message news:014wf.131
> Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
> it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
> Virginia Tech team.
No, it was failure to reveal the speeding ticket that got him dismissed.
His previous conduct was somewhat beyond "questionable" in my view — and in
the view of the Univ President and AD, among others.
>>"…already was under close scrutiny for being caught stomping on the left
>> >>calf of …defensive end Elvis Dumervil in the Gator Bowl…
"…stomping on the left calf of …defensive end …" Am I the only one
who’s wondering why he’s being allowed to continue playing at all?
>>"…gotten a ticket for driving on a suspended license… The ticket was
>> >>issued because a friend driving a car Vick owns had failed to pay for
>> >>insurance.
I don’t know VA regulation, but can you own and register a car without
insurance, then require someone else to provide insurance when you lend him
the car? Sounds a little sketchy, but may be legitimate.
>>"… suspended for all of last season for his earlier problems, which
>>included >>convictions in 2004 for contributing to the delinquency of a
>>minor, reckless >>driving and marijuana possession.
Convictions, not allegations.
>>"…On the field, he was often dazzling, earning the quarterback spot on
>>the All-Atlantic Coast Conference team and was runner-up for ACC offensive
>>player of the year.
Well, he’ll be in comfortable company in the NFL — a brilliant athlete with
a police record. Something on the order of 20% of NFL players have been
charged or convicted of serious crimes.
John Gaquin, <john.gaq…@comcast.net> was motivated to say this in
rec.autos.driving on Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:53:29 -0500:
> Well, he’ll be in comfortable company in the NFL — a brilliant athlete with
> a police record. Something on the order of 20% of NFL players have been
> charged or convicted of serious crimes.
Only 20%? I’d hazard a guess that number is a bit higher than that.
Especially if you factor in people like Marcus Vick’s brother, the
infamous Michael "Ron Mexico" Vick of the Atlanta Falcons, who have
engaged in questionable behavior if not arrested/convicted…
"necromancer" <necroman…@kretp.tmy> wrote in message >
> Only 20%? I’d hazard a guess that number is a bit higher than that.
> Especially if you factor in people like Marcus Vick’s brother, the
> infamous Michael "Ron Mexico" Vick of the Atlanta Falcons, who have
> engaged in questionable behavior if not arrested/convicted…
Just an estimate based on 7 y/o data; may be higher or lower now, and
definately varies from team to team. I recall a few years ago during a
Ravens game (playoff or SB, can’t recall) the commentators noted that over
50% of the players on the field were convicted felons. Also, my gut feeling
is that the number is notably higher in the NBA.
John Gaquin wrote:
> "Arif Khokar" <akhokar1…@wvu.edu> wrote in message news:014wf.131
>>Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
>>it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
>>Virginia Tech team.
> No, it was failure to reveal the speeding ticket that got him dismissed.
Still not a conviction by any means. I don’t agree with unsportsman
like conduct on the field like the stomping incident and I believe that
if any reason was used to justify his dimissal from the team, it should
have been that one.
Getting a speeding ticket should not be used as a justfication for an
action like that.
> "…stomping on the left calf of …defensive end …" Am I the only one
> who’s wondering why he’s being allowed to continue playing at all?
No, you’re not. My point was rather than using a legitimate reason such
as hurting another player, they use a bullshit reason of not revealing
the fact that he received a speeding ticket.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t see any reason why I should be
obligated to reveal that I was cited for a traffic infraction to anyone
like my employer or anyone else. They’re free to search public records
to find a conviction however.
> I don’t know VA regulation, but can you own and register a car without
> insurance, then require someone else to provide insurance when you lend him
> the car? Sounds a little sketchy, but may be legitimate.
I believe the insurance coverage lapsed when he failed to pay the
premium on time. The fact was that his friend’s driving was what got
the officer’s attention. Besides, he did pay all the associated fines
and got his license reinstated, making the point moot.
>>>"… suspended for all of last season for his earlier problems, which
>>>included >>convictions in 2004 for contributing to the delinquency of a
>>>minor, reckless >>driving and marijuana possession.
> Convictions, not allegations.
Which also brings me to my other point of statutory reckless driving.
Driving above 80 mph on a rural interstate is by no means reckless by
any stretch of the definition. As for marijuana possession, such a drug
shouldn’t be illegal in the first place, IMO.
"Arif Khokar" <akhokar1…@wvu.edu> wrote in message
> Still not a conviction by any means… Getting a speeding ticket should
> not >be used as a justfication for an action like that.
> …..rather than using a legitimate reason such as hurting another player,
> they use a bullshit reason of not revealing the fact that he received a
> speeding ticket.
> …..I don’t see any reason why I should be obligated to reveal that I was
> cited for a traffic infraction to anyone
Taken by itself, I might tend to agree – a speeding ticket alone is
relatively minor stuff. My read [speculation] on Vick’s circumstance is
that the school had about had their fill with all his problems and behaviors
over the past couple of years, and in clearing this last bit of crap he was
asked that age-old question ‘Now, is there anything ELSE we ought to know
about?’. He probably answered in the negative, and shortly thereafter this
speeding ticket popped up. Straw and camel, as it were. Sad, but
inevitable. Lots of these prodigies have to learn that if you want to be
treated as special by someone else’s system to your own advantage, you MUST
play within that system. If he has a problem behaving himself in college,
wait until he gets to the NFL and somebady has $40M riding on his ass.
Teams are starting to fight back, and I think the days of sunshine might be
over for these prima donnas who, absent prodigious athletic skills, would
likely be in prison.
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> like my employer or anyone else. They’re free to search public records to
> find a conviction however.
>> I don’t know VA regulation, but can you own and register a car without
>> insurance, then require someone else to provide insurance when you lend
>> him the car? Sounds a little sketchy, but may be legitimate.
> I believe the insurance coverage lapsed when he failed to pay the premium
> on time. The fact was that his friend’s driving was what got the
> officer’s attention. Besides, he did pay all the associated fines and got
> his license reinstated, making the point moot.
>>>>"… suspended for all of last season for his earlier problems, which
>>>>included >>convictions in 2004 for contributing to the delinquency of a
>>>>minor, reckless >>driving and marijuana possession.
>> Convictions, not allegations.
> Which also brings me to my other point of statutory reckless driving.
> Driving above 80 mph on a rural interstate is by no means reckless by any
> stretch of the definition. As for marijuana possession, such a drug
> shouldn’t be illegal in the first place, IMO.
Dave wrote: <brevity snip>
> You forgot to mention that one of the driving-related offenses was actually
> racked up by a friend of his, who had borrowed his car. The ticket was sent
> to the OWNER of the vehicle, so he was fucked. -Dave
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<q> The ticket was issued because a friend driving a car Vick owns had
failed to pay for insurance. </q>
The owner of the car is required to have insurance coverage on the
vehicle, not his friend.
I’ve got to wonder how this stupid scumbag motherfucker was ever
accepted at a college.
—–
- gpsman
Arif Khokar wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/01/07/bc.fbc.marc…
> Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
> it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
> Virginia Tech team.
> I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
> his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
> driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
> Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
> that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
That is really twisting the article to put a spin on it. It wasn’t the
ticket that caused it. That was just the last straw. The dismissal
was due to an accumulation of problems/violations (most non-driving)
and a result of ignoring a direct warning that one more incident was it
no matter what the incident was. I hope he makes out in the draft and
that he has learned that a famous person is no better than the rest of
us.
Harry K
Arif Khokar wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/01/07/bc.fbc.marc…
> Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
> it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
> Virginia Tech team.
Questionable conduct?!!!
"Vick entered this season trying to win his team’s trust after being
suspended for all of last season for his earlier problems, which
included convictions in 2004 for contributing to the delinquency of a
minor, reckless driving and marijuana possession."
This guy is a fucking scumbag.
"Vick already was under close scrutiny for being caught stomping on the
left calf of Louisville All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil in
the Gator Bowl…" Nice sense of sportmanship.
> I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
> his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
> driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
> Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
> that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
Yeah, it’s all the fault of the stupid law. One law that obviously
wasn’t violated is the assault his father failed to commit on his
stupid ass in his formative years.
—–
- gpsman
Harry K wrote:
> Arif Khokar wrote:
>>I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
>>his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
>>driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
>>Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
>>that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
> That is really twisting the article to put a spin on it.
No, it really is not. Relevant actions such as hurting another player
won’t result in dismissal, but irrelevant actions off the field do.
In fact, to someone who doesn’t know about VA’s reckless driving law,
they may think that the reckless driving conviction resulted from a
crash or running someone off the road. What’s more likely is that he
was cited for going 82 in a 65 mph zone. IOW, another speeding ticket
that just happens to be considered statutory reckless driving.
It’s sort of like calling consensual sex between a 18 year old and a 16
year old statutory rape.
> It wasn’t the
> ticket that caused it. That was just the last straw. The dismissal
> was due to an accumulation of problems/violations (most non-driving)
> and a result of ignoring a direct warning that one more incident was it
> no matter what the incident was.
Which makes me wonder why they failed to use the "purposefully stomping
on another player’s calf" reason to dismiss him, rather than a speeding
ticket.
Harry K, <turnkey4…@hotmail.com> was motivated to say this in
rec.autos.driving on 8 Jan 2006 07:42:29 -0800:
> It wasn’t the ticket that caused it. That was just the last straw.
> The dismissal
> was due to an accumulation of problems/violations (most non-driving)
> and a result of ignoring a direct warning that one more incident was it
> no matter what the incident was.
Agreed. Vick wasn’t dismissed solely because of the ticket. Eventhough I
was surprised that they let him go. I thought that a gangsta like him
fit in right nicely with the other gangstas at VT. Maybe he should have
gone to Miami (FL) instead…
> I hope he makes out in the draft and
> that he has learned that a famous person is no better than the rest of
> us.
Unfortunately, he will… …and he won’t
"John Gaquin" <john.gaq…@comcast.net> wrote in message
>…. My read [speculation] on Vick’s circumstance is that the school had
>about had their fill with all his problems and behaviors
> ….I think the days of sunshine might be over for these prima donnas who,
> absent prodigious athletic skills, would likely be in prison.
Well, it seems it has only taken a few days for Mr. Vick to prove the
University correct in their decision to cut him loose. It appears he’ll fit
right into the NFL….
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>"SUFFOLK, Va. (AP) — Former Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick, >booted
>from the team last week for his behavior on and off the field, was >charged
>Monday with pulling a gun on three teenagers during an altercation in a
> >restaurant parking lot.
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Arif Khokar wrote:
> Harry K wrote:
> > Arif Khokar wrote:
> >>I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
> >>his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
> >>driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
> >>Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
> >>that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
> > That is really twisting the article to put a spin on it.
> No, it really is not. Relevant actions such as hurting another player
> won’t result in dismissal, but irrelevant actions off the field do.
> In fact, to someone who doesn’t know about VA’s reckless driving law,
> they may think that the reckless driving conviction resulted from a
> crash or running someone off the road. What’s more likely is that he
> was cited for going 82 in a 65 mph zone. IOW, another speeding ticket
> that just happens to be considered statutory reckless driving.
> It’s sort of like calling consensual sex between a 18 year old and a 16
> year old statutory rape.
> > It wasn’t the
> > ticket that caused it. That was just the last straw. The dismissal
> > was due to an accumulation of problems/violations (most non-driving)
> > and a result of ignoring a direct warning that one more incident was it
> > no matter what the incident was.
> Which makes me wonder why they failed to use the "purposefully stomping
> on another player’s calf" reason to dismiss him, rather than a speeding
> ticket.
Because the warning "one more thing…" was issued as a result of the
stomping. The ticket was the ‘one more thing’ just as a jaywalking or
spsitting on the sidewalk ticket wouild have done.
Harry K
John Gaquin, <john.gaq…@comcast.net> was motivated to say this in
rec.autos.driving on Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:02:28 -0500:
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> "John Gaquin" <john.gaq…@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >…. My read [speculation] on Vick’s circumstance is that the school had
> >about had their fill with all his problems and behaviors
> > ….I think the days of sunshine might be over for these prima donnas who,
> > absent prodigious athletic skills, would likely be in prison.
> Well, it seems it has only taken a few days for Mr. Vick to prove the
> University correct in their decision to cut him loose. It appears he’ll fit
> right into the NFL….
> >"SUFFOLK, Va. (AP) — Former Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick, >booted
> >from the team last week for his behavior on and off the field, was >charged
> >Monday with pulling a gun on three teenagers during an altercation in a
> > >restaurant parking lot.
Don’t know who’ll draft him, but he’d fit right in with the Cleveland
Browns, Cincinatti Bengals, Tennessee Titans or the Oakland Raiders.
I got penalized heavily at work for a speeding ticket I
received in WI back in July 2004. The company I work for
has a condition to remain employed that all traffic
infractions you receive must be reported. Even if you don’t
drive company vehicles and where I work at, there are no
company vehicles to drive anyway. Because of the ticket
plus being on my manager’s shit list, I did not get a pay
increase and the WI ticket was mentioned as one of the
reasons.
Like Virginia, Wisconsin is very strict on speed limit
enforcement.
In my opinion, the speeding ticket was used as a stupid
excuse to get rid Vic. It is pretty lame !
Arif Khokar wrote:
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> Getting a speeding ticket should not be used as a justfication for an
> action like that.
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> I don’t know about you, but I don’t see any reason why I should be
> obligated to reveal that I was cited for a traffic infraction to anyone
> like my employer or anyone else. They’re free to search public records
> to find a conviction however.
<thebigbi…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136894741.207159.35220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
>I got penalized heavily at work for a speeding ticket I
> received in WI back in July 2004. The company I work for
> has a condition to remain employed that all traffic
> infractions you receive must be reported. Even if you don’t
> drive company vehicles and where I work at, there are no
> company vehicles to drive anyway. Because of the ticket
> plus being on my manager’s shit list, I did not get a pay
> increase and the WI ticket was mentioned as one of the
> reasons.
And you’re still working there WHY, exactly? -Dave
Arif Khokar wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/01/07/bc.fbc.marc…
> Though this person has engaged in some questionable conduct in the past,
> it was getting a speeding ticket that lead him to be dismissed from the
> Virginia Tech team.
> I note that this article that they mentioned reckless driving as one of
> his past offenses (yeah, going over 80 mph in VA is statutory reckless
> driving in VA though that’s hardly the case in reality on most interstates).
> Had reasonable speed limits and driving laws been in place, it’s likely
> that he wouldn’t have been dismissed from the team.
Well, I hear that Vick can even give up his aspirations to turn pro.
Didn’t catch the details but heard on teh news that he was arrested
yesterday for pulling a gun on a juvenile. Isn’t any team going to
touch him now, he carries too much baggage.
Harry K
Harry K, <turnkey4…@hotmail.com> was motivated to say this in
rec.autos.driving on 11 Jan 2006 10:31:56 -0800:
> Well, I hear that Vick can even give up his aspirations to turn pro.
> Didn’t catch the details but heard on teh news that he was arrested
> yesterday for pulling a gun on a juvenile. Isn’t any team going to
> touch him now, he carries too much baggage.
You’d be surprised what some teams will put up with (and give in the
form of signing bonuses and other perks) from a player on the *hope*
that they can turn him around or at the least get some performance or a
play-off out of him. Just look at what New Orleans and now Miami put up
with from Ricky Williams.
In article <v4o3s1hgljb4lo59gp2h8qalh33ka8d…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztlán <newsgroup> wrote:
>If I was the OWNER of the car, I’d rat out the asshole who committed
>an offense in my car rather than take the fall myself.
Fine, but that makes you the animal you mentioned.
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