[i'm setting the followup-to field to slide this over to rec.autos.driving,
as the topic is heading that way -- rpw]
In article <7jnjaj=.pa…@netcom.com> pa…@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
> Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
>prone to rolling the car. In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
>lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard…
`excessively hard’?
lifting inside wheels can happen when you are at the limit; i’ve lifted
the inside _front_ on my Alfa sedan on occasion at lime rock. lifting inside
rears is commonly seen at autocrosses on VW Rabbits and GTIs of various
sorts; in fact, i’d argue that all the really fast drivers of these
cars in stock form lift the inside rears if they are at all competitive.
are you sure that 2002 lifted the inside _rear_? i’d expect a front engine,
rwd car to lift the inside _front_, not the inside _rear_.
if you are regularly lifting an inside tire, then that is a message
telling you that you might wish to consider increasing roll stiffness
at the other end of the car (which may or may not be legal in a `stock’
class, depending on where you compete.)
cheers,
richard
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pa…@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
+ Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
+prone to rolling the car. In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard…
we…@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
+`excessively hard’?
+
+lifting inside wheels can happen when you are at the limit; i’ve lifted
+the inside _front_ on my Alfa sedan on occasion at lime rock. lifting inside
+rears is commonly seen at autocrosses on VW Rabbits and GTIs of various
+sorts; in fact, i’d argue that all the really fast drivers of these
+cars in stock form lift the inside rears if they are at all competitive.
In fact, _I_’d argue that _all_ racers in stock Rabbit GTI’s of all
vintages lift their inside rear wheel, even the not-so-fast racers.
And not at the limit neither.
I have been beaten by almost a second by my brother in an identical
Rabbit GTI on the same autocross course, all the while waving my inside
rear wheel in the air, _looking_ mighty fast!
(Alright, so his GTI was red; everybody knows red cars goes faster! |-)
The guy that I beat by 1/2 a sec (he was in an identical GTI) was also
wagging his inside rear wheel in the air, looking mighty fast!
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In article <1…@tivoli.UUCP>, a…@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes…
>pa…@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
>+ Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
>+prone to rolling the car. In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
>+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard…
> In fact, _I_’d argue that _all_ racers in stock Rabbit GTI’s of all
> vintages lift their inside rear wheel, even the not-so-fast racers.
> And not at the limit neither.
> I have been beaten by almost a second by my brother in an identical
> Rabbit GTI on the same autocross course, all the while waving my inside
> rear wheel in the air, _looking_ mighty fast!
> (Alright, so his GTI was red; everybody knows red cars goes faster! |-)
> The guy that I beat by 1/2 a sec (he was in an identical GTI) was also
> wagging his inside rear wheel in the air, looking mighty fast!
Yes, almost all VW’s will lift the inner real wheel during hard cornering.
My Scirocco is more than happy to lift it’s wheel, despite my very stiff
suspension. However, this does not necessary indicate a propensity to roll…
I have seen many VWs, from early A1 cars to Corrados lift the rear wheel, yet
I have never seen (or heard of one) that has rolled. I’m sure it has happened,
but not in my autocross experience or otherwise. I have spun my car more times
than I wish to reveal, yet I have never felt like the car was even close to
rolling.
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Jeffrey M. Mayzurk
jmm2…@zeus.tamu.edu
In <1…@tivoli.UUCP> a…@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes:
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>pa…@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
>+ Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
>+prone to rolling the car. In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
>+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard…
>we…@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>+`excessively hard’?
>+
>+lifting inside wheels can happen when you are at the limit; i’ve lifted
>+the inside _front_ on my Alfa sedan on occasion at lime rock. lifting inside
>+rears is commonly seen at autocrosses on VW Rabbits and GTIs of various
>+sorts; in fact, i’d argue that all the really fast drivers of these
>+cars in stock form lift the inside rears if they are at all competitive.
> In fact, _I_’d argue that _all_ racers in stock Rabbit GTI’s of all
> vintages lift their inside rear wheel, even the not-so-fast racers.
> And not at the limit neither.
> I have been beaten by almost a second by my brother in an identical
> Rabbit GTI on the same autocross course, all the while waving my inside
> rear wheel in the air, _looking_ mighty fast!
> (Alright, so his GTI was red; everybody knows red cars goes faster! |-)
> The guy that I beat by 1/2 a sec (he was in an identical GTI) was also
> wagging his inside rear wheel in the air, looking mighty fast!
>–
>Andy Nguyen / Team Paranoid
>(212) 267-7722 …!uunet!tivoli!aqn OR a…@tivoli.com
I slalom a GTI, I also lift my wheel, and I TOO, look mighty fast….
i]
BUT all those darn Acura’s and Civic’s keep on beating meI do beat a
Scirocco that also raises the tire and he looks mighty fast.
BUT I’m faster…
ANdy
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jmm2…@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) writes:
> In article <1…@tivoli.UUCP>, a…@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes…
> >pa…@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
> >+ Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
> >+prone to rolling the car. In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
> >+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard…
> Yes, almost all VW’s will lift the inner real wheel during hard cornering.
> My Scirocco is more than happy to lift it’s wheel, despite my very stiff
> suspension. However, this does not necessary indicate a propensity to roll..
> I have seen many VWs, from early A1 cars to Corrados lift the rear wheel, yet
> I have never seen (or heard of one) that has rolled. I’m sure it has happene
> but not in my autocross experience or otherwise. I have spun my car more tim
> than I wish to reveal, yet I have never felt like the car was even close to
> rolling.
Even my _diesel_ rabbit does the "dog at the fire hydrant" trick
while autocrossing, with no ill effect.
However, I do know one fellow who, supposedly, rolled
an acquaintance’s (read: former friend?) Rabbit. Now _he_ owns
the car, and has installed a new fender, hood, sway bar, struts, and Yokos.
> —
> Jeffrey M. Mayzurk
> jmm2…@zeus.tamu.edu
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