In article <lis.729642…@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> l…@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>Two people have referred to "WINK" mirrors that cover the entire top
>of the windshield and provide blind-spot free rear views.  

>Is this device as good as it seems?  Just offhand, I can see a serious
>problem whhen driving away from the sun.  

>Are they available for all car models?  [I've an 89 Cavalier]

>How much are they?

>Where can I see one/buy one?

>Thanks.
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>—————>Elisabeth Anne Riba * l…@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<————–
>SOCKS–THINGS TO DO:  Line litter box with remaining copies of Millie’s book;
>Visit Lincoln Bedroom–leave hairball; Use everything as a scratching post;
>Bring in crystal healer to cleanse the White House of Millie vibes; Take a nap

        Most parts stores carry them. K-Mart and Wal Mart,I think. They
    cost about $16.00. I haven’t noticed the sun being anymore of a problem
    than usual. They are not day/ night type, but are tinted a little.

Is this device as good as it seems?  Just offhand, I can see a serious
problem whhen driving away from the sun.  

Are they available for all car models?  [I've an 89 Cavalier]

How much are they?

Where can I see one/buy one?

Thanks.
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—————>Elisabeth Anne Riba * l…@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<————–
SOCKS–THINGS TO DO:  Line litter box with remaining copies of Millie’s book;
Visit Lincoln Bedroom–leave hairball; Use everything as a scratching post;
Bring in crystal healer to cleanse the White House of Millie vibes; Take a nap

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>In article <1993Feb11.14200…@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> you write:
>>In article <C28sJ0….@wrs.com>, n…@wrs.com (Neal Forss) writes:
>>> Yeah, I use a similar method.  I keep some overlap between the side mirror
>>> ‘picture’ and that of the rear-view mirror.  Then I make sure the lane is
>>> clear by turning my head.

>>There was an article in POPULAR SCIENCE a month or so ago about this.  The
>>idea is to have the rear and side mirror viewing areas overlap as little as
>>possible.  As stated in the article, most drivers tend to adjust their side
>>mirrors so that they can still see the side of the car, causing a large
>>overlap.  The best angle is about 15 degrees farther outward.  The suggested
>>method for achieving this is to rest your head against the window and adjust
>>the mirror until you can barely see the side of the car, for the left
>>mirror.  For the right mirror, lean over until your head is even with the
>>car’s center line and adjust until you can barely see the side of the car.

>>The use of so called "blind spot" mirrors and right hand mirrors that make
>>objects look smaller and farther away was deemed highly questionable.
>>Convex blind spot mirrors, which are usually much too small, distort images
>>to the point that you can’t rely upon what you are seeing; distortion
>>increases as distance from the mirror increases.  Right hand mirrors that
>>shrink images make it more difficult to judge distances.

>I found an even easier method about 2 years ago in the local newspapers
>automotive section.  The idea is to set your right and left hand mirrors so
>that when you are in the normal driving position.  You should be able to
>see a vehichle fully transition from the middle review to the appropriate
>side mirror.  In other words, you should see the whole front of the vehicle
>divided into both mirrors until it has moved fully into to the middle or
>one of the side view mirrors.    

>For example, if 3/4 of the visible front of the car is in your rearview mirror,
>then the other 1/4 of the cars visible front should be in the appropriate side
>mirror.

>There, I hope that’s clear enough.  Anyway, I’ve used this technique since I’ve
>read the article and it works great.  By the time the is out of the side mirror
>view (passing) I can turn my head slightly and see it out the window.

>Unfortunately, In my wifes ’85 Sentra, her single side mirror does not adjust
>for this.  

>If anyone knows of good sources for aftermarket electric side mount mirrors, I
>would greatly appreciate the info.

>Thanks,

>Steven

        My daughter bought me a WINK mirror for xmas. One of those jobs
    that goes all the way across the top of your windshield. Actually it is
    five mirror built into one mount. It takes a little getting used to,but
    once your accustomed it, it is great. You can see everything behind you
    and both sides blind spots without even using your side mirrors.>–

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>Steven Johnson (IMD)                        M/S FM2-60
>sjohn…@pcocd2.intel.com                   1900 Prairie City Road
>(916)356-5540                               Folsom, CA 95630

>        My daughter bought me a WINK mirror for xmas. One of those jobs
>that goes all the way across the top of your windshield. Actually it is
>five mirror built into one mount. It takes a little getting used to,but
>once your accustomed it, it is great. You can see everything behind you
>and both sides blind spots without even using your side mirrors.>–

These WINK mirrors are great!!.  I have owned three cars now with them.  You seem to have one blind spot right behind your head (if your tall like me) but the usual drivers side outside mirror can easily be set to cover it.  The price is also very reasonable ~$20.  Try to get the biggest one that will fit in your car. The only disadvantage is that you may loose your sun visors (just get some good sunglasses).  These mirrors contain alot of glass, but the glare will be less than the mirror that was supplied

 originally.  There is some distortion where the mirrors meet but nothing that would mess up your depth perception.  

As a plus, they are REALLY good for monitoring police trying to sneak up behind you.  

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>In article <C28sJ0….@wrs.com>, n…@wrs.com (Neal Forss) writes:
>> Yeah, I use a similar method.  I keep some overlap between the side mirror
>> ‘picture’ and that of the rear-view mirror.  Then I make sure the lane is
>> clear by turning my head.

>There was an article in POPULAR SCIENCE a month or so ago about this.  The
>idea is to have the rear and side mirror viewing areas overlap as little as
>possible.  As stated in the article, most drivers tend to adjust their side
>mirrors so that they can still see the side of the car, causing a large
>overlap.  The best angle is about 15 degrees farther outward.  The suggested
>method for achieving this is to rest your head against the window and adjust
>the mirror until you can barely see the side of the car, for the left
>mirror.  For the right mirror, lean over until your head is even with the
>car’s center line and adjust until you can barely see the side of the car.

>The use of so called "blind spot" mirrors and right hand mirrors that make
>objects look smaller and farther away was deemed highly questionable.
>Convex blind spot mirrors, which are usually much too small, distort images
>to the point that you can’t rely upon what you are seeing; distortion
>increases as distance from the mirror increases.  Right hand mirrors that
>shrink images make it more difficult to judge distances.

I found an even easier method about 2 years ago in the local newspapers
automotive section.  The idea is to set your right and left hand mirrors so
that when you are in the normal driving position.  You should be able to
see a vehichle fully transition from the middle review to the appropriate
side mirror.  In other words, you should see the whole front of the vehicle
divided into both mirrors until it has moved fully into to the middle or
one of the side view mirrors.    

For example, if 3/4 of the visible front of the car is in your rearview mirror,
then the other 1/4 of the cars visible front should be in the appropriate side
mirror.

There, I hope that’s clear enough.  Anyway, I’ve used this technique since I’ve
read the article and it works great.  By the time the is out of the side mirror
view (passing) I can turn my head slightly and see it out the window.

Unfortunately, In my wifes ’85 Sentra, her single side mirror does not adjust
for this.  

If anyone knows of good sources for aftermarket electric side mount mirrors, I
would greatly appreciate the info.

Thanks,

Steven

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Steven Johnson (IMD)                        M/S FM2-60
sjohn…@pcocd2.intel.com                   1900 Prairie City Road
(916)356-5540                               Folsom, CA 95630

…<>…

>When adjusting our mirrors, let’s keep in mind we need to see motorcycles
>as well as cars.  I am more concerned about hitting one of them than about
>hitting another auto.

I see we share a common interest.
Thanks for thinking of us.

>Neal Forss
>–
>Neal Forss   c/o Wind River Systems  1010 Atlantic Av.  Alameda, CA  94501
>telephone: (510) 814-2167                   internet address:  n…@wrs.com
>Don’t even begin to think this is an official Wind River Systems statement.

Art "An appreciative biker"
art…@informix.com

There was an article in POPULAR SCIENCE a month or so ago about this.  The
idea is to have the rear and side mirror viewing areas overlap as little as
possible.  As stated in the article, most drivers tend to adjust their side
mirrors so that they can still see the side of the car, causing a large
overlap.  The best angle is about 15 degrees farther outward.  The suggested
method for achieving this is to rest your head against the window and adjust
the mirror until you can barely see the side of the car, for the left
mirror.  For the right mirror, lean over until your head is even with the
car’s center line and adjust until you can barely see the side of the car.

The use of so called "blind spot" mirrors and right hand mirrors that make
objects look smaller and farther away was deemed highly questionable.
Convex blind spot mirrors, which are usually much too small, distort images
to the point that you can’t rely upon what you are seeing; distortion
increases as distance from the mirror increases.  Right hand mirrors that
shrink images make it more difficult to judge distances.

I fully agree.  After reading the article I began driving with my mirrors
adjusted this way.  Its great!  I feel much safer and much more aware of the
traffic around me.  As vehicles come up behind me, they don’t begin to show
up in my side mirror until they have almost left my rear mirror.  And by the
time they leave the view of my side mirror, I can see them in my peripheral
vision.  I never completely loose sight of even the smallest cars.  The
previous poster mentioned a concern over motorcycles; I can’t comment as
it’s winter where I am and has been since I made the change.  Come spring
when the bikes start showing up again, I’ll watch to see how well this
adjustment works for keeping an eye on them.

Note:  Adjusting your mirrors in this manor is NOT a substitute for turning
your head and actually looking.  Drivers not looking is what causes most
accidents.
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(john.l.broughton) writes:

>In article <6…@heimdall.sdrc.com> gppe…@cae334.nohost.nodomain
>(Peter D. Bennett) writes

>>I read somewhere that in order to eliminate your blind spots, you could just
>>angle your side rear view mirrors out abot 15 degrees BEYOND where you can
>>just see the side of your car.  This way, you see things approaching in your

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>>-PDB

>  This has worked sell for me for many years.  Especially useful on multi-lane
>  roads.  I have mine adjusted so that I can see the front of a car on
>  either side with my peripheral vision while still seeing the rear of the
>  vehicle in the outside mirror.  Really eliminates blind spots.  Blind spots

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>John Broughton

Yeah, I use a similar method.  I keep some overlap between the side mirror
‘picture’ and that of the rear-view mirror.  Then I make sure the lane is
clear by turning my head.

When adjusting our mirrors, let’s keep in mind we need to see motorcycles
as well as cars.  I am more concerned about hitting one of them than about
hitting another auto.

Neal Forss
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Neal Forss   c/o Wind River Systems  1010 Atlantic Av.  Alameda, CA  94501
telephone: (510) 814-2167                   internet address:  n…@wrs.com

Don’t even begin to think this is an official Wind River Systems statement.