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Re: Man in Minivan Murders Motorcyclist

In article <dhfh225krqmf8vakn9stba6a1s6th48…@4ax.com>, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> I guess not all minivan drivers are pussies. ;)

Aggressive, angry arseholes in minivans are rather common. So common I
think it might me a side effect of driving the damn things.

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  1. admin says:

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    Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > I guess not all minivan drivers are pussies. ;)

    > http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/121844

    > Driver held in motorcyclist death
    > Marana motorist suspected of hitting rider in road rage
    > By Djamila Grossman
    > Arizona Daily Star
    > Tucson, Arizona | Published: 03.27.2006

    > A Marana man who police say used his minivan to intentionally strike
    > the back of a motorcycle, killing the rider, was booked into jail
    > Sunday on suspicion of second-degree murder.
    > Edmond Gonzalez Jr., 42, who was driving on a suspended driver’s
    > license, was driving west on East Golf Links Road shortly after noon
    > Saturday in a red 2005 Dodge Caravan, when he started chasing a
    > motorcyclist, striking its rear with the left side of his van and
    > leaving the scene of the fatal crash, said Sgt. Mark Robinson, a
    > Tucson Police Department spokesman.
    > Vince Schoenherr, 45, lost control of his 2005 Harley-Davidson and was
    > thrown underneath an eastbound car waiting to make a U-turn near the
    > intersection of Golf Links and South Mann Avenue. He was pronounced
    > dead at the scene, according to a Tucson Police Department news
    > release. Schoenherr was not wearing a helmet.
    > Gonzalez "made a deliberate movement to strike that motorcycle,"
    > Robinson said, calling it a case of road rage. "I can’t think of
    > another documented incident like that."
    > Witnesses told police that Gonzalez was upset over "personal matters"
    > and was driving aggressively, including speeding, following other cars
    > too closely, cutting cars off and weaving in and out of traffic,
    > Robinson said.
    > Police said Gonzalez and Schoenherr got into an argument regarding
    > Gonzalez’s aggressive driving while they both drove west on East Golf
    > Links Road. After the argument, police said Schoenherr tried to
    > distance himself from the minivan, but Gonzalez chased the motorcycle
    > and rammed it, causing Schoenherr to crash.
    > Detectives located the van about 12:45 a.m. Sunday at Gonzalez’s house
    > in the 13900 block of West Grier Road, Robinson said.
    > Gonzalez was booked into the Pima County jail on one count each of
    > second-degree murder and leaving the scene of a fatal traffic
    > accident, the release said. Gonzalez is being held on a $300,000 bond.
    > In addition to driving on a suspended license for driving under the
    > influence, Gonzalez’s criminal history includes charges on aggravated
    > assault, aggravated DUI, failure to carry a vehicle registration card,
    > driving without a valid driver’s license and driving with a suspended
    > license, according to Pima County Justice Court online records.
    > —

    Bet this psycho never does a day in prison for this murder.  When you
    kill someone with a motor vehicle, it’s always an "accident" in
    criminal coddler america.

  2. admin says:

    "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > I guess not all minivan drivers are pussies. ;)

    > http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/121844

    > Driver held in motorcyclist death
    > Marana motorist suspected of hitting rider in road rage
    > By Djamila Grossman
    > Arizona Daily Star
    > Tucson, Arizona | Published: 03.27.2006

    > A Marana man who police say used his minivan to intentionally strike
    > the back of a motorcycle, killing the rider, was booked into jail
    > Sunday on suspicion of second-degree murder.
    > Edmond Gonzalez Jr., 42, who was driving on a suspended driver’s
    > license, was driving west on East Golf Links Road shortly after noon
    > Saturday in a red 2005 Dodge Caravan, when he started chasing a
    > motorcyclist, striking its rear with the left side of his van and
    > leaving the scene of the fatal crash, said Sgt. Mark Robinson, a
    > Tucson Police Department spokesman.
    > Vince Schoenherr, 45, lost control of his 2005 Harley-Davidson and was
    > thrown underneath an eastbound car waiting to make a U-turn near the
    > intersection of Golf Links and South Mann Avenue. He was pronounced
    > dead at the scene, according to a Tucson Police Department news
    > release. Schoenherr was not wearing a helmet.
    > Gonzalez "made a deliberate movement to strike that motorcycle,"
    > Robinson said, calling it a case of road rage. "I can’t think of
    > another documented incident like that."
    > Witnesses told police that Gonzalez was upset over "personal matters"
    > and was driving aggressively, including speeding, following other cars
    > too closely, cutting cars off and weaving in and out of traffic,
    > Robinson said.
    > Police said Gonzalez and Schoenherr got into an argument regarding
    > Gonzalez’s aggressive driving while they both drove west on East Golf
    > Links Road. After the argument, police said Schoenherr tried to
    > distance himself from the minivan, but Gonzalez chased the motorcycle
    > and rammed it, causing Schoenherr to crash.
    > Detectives located the van about 12:45 a.m. Sunday at Gonzalez’s house
    > in the 13900 block of West Grier Road, Robinson said.
    > Gonzalez was booked into the Pima County jail on one count each of
    > second-degree murder and leaving the scene of a fatal traffic
    > accident, the release said. Gonzalez is being held on a $300,000 bond.
    > In addition to driving on a suspended license for driving under the
    > influence, Gonzalez’s criminal history includes charges on aggravated
    > assault, aggravated DUI, failure to carry a vehicle registration card,
    > driving without a valid driver’s license and driving with a suspended
    > license, according to Pima County Justice Court online records.
    > —
    >Bet this psycho never does a day in prison for this murder.  When you
    >kill someone with a motor vehicle, it’s always an "accident" in
    >criminal coddler america.

    It’s Carl Koella all over again, the minivan driver who killed Terry
    Barnard – his sentence was a hundred days (with work release after the first
    30). This even though it was a hit and run.  Koella even had a highway named
    after him, a slap in the face to Barnard’s loved ones.

     Or Bill Janklow, who killed Randy Scott, and got hit with a 100 day
    sentence. Janklow ran a stop sign at 70 miles an hour, about as reckless an
    act as you can get.  Because he was coming from a political event, a court
    ruled he was on Congressional business and was immune to a civil suit by
    Scott’s survivors.

    Or Deana Barnes, who rammed her SUV in to motorcyclist Larry Pitman, killing
    him.  She plead guilty to negigent homicide. She was sentenced to 30 months
    of probation.  The condition of her probation?  She ordered to perform "acts
    of kindness or generosity".  The judge planned to check on her a grand total
    of three times during her probation to make sure she met these onerous
    conditions.

    Or Dolores Ortiz Garcia, whose blood alcohol level was about twice the legal
    limit when she killed Richard Flores.  She received a whopping 8 months –
    that’s months, people, not years – and was eligible for work release during
    the day, after the first 30 days of her sentence.

    Or Kent Johnson, who sped his vehicle down a bicycle lane and ran a red
    light, killing motorcyclist Randy Sanchez.  Johnson received the heaviest
    sentence of this bunch – a whole two years. No probation when he’s released,
    won’t even lose his license, and was ordered to pay Sanchez’s family $6,000
    for the price of the motorcycle, and another $7,000 to pay for the funeral.

    Talk about a slap on the wrist.  It’s open season on bikers out there. And
    typified by asshole Scott who thinks a road rage murder of a biker is funny,
    and means the driver is a tough guy.

    Bo Raxo

  3. admin says:

    "Bo Raxo" <forens…@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote in message

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    > > http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/121844

    > > Driver held in motorcyclist death
    > > Marana motorist suspected of hitting rider in road rage
    > > By Djamila Grossman
    > > Arizona Daily Star
    > > Tucson, Arizona | Published: 03.27.2006

    > > A Marana man who police say used his minivan to intentionally strike
    > > the back of a motorcycle, killing the rider, was booked into jail
    > > Sunday on suspicion of second-degree murder.
    > > Edmond Gonzalez Jr., 42, who was driving on a suspended driver’s
    > > license, was driving west on East Golf Links Road shortly after noon
    > > Saturday in a red 2005 Dodge Caravan, when he started chasing a
    > > motorcyclist, striking its rear with the left side of his van and
    > > leaving the scene of the fatal crash, said Sgt. Mark Robinson, a
    > > Tucson Police Department spokesman.
    > > Vince Schoenherr, 45, lost control of his 2005 Harley-Davidson and was
    > > thrown underneath an eastbound car waiting to make a U-turn near the
    > > intersection of Golf Links and South Mann Avenue. He was pronounced
    > > dead at the scene, according to a Tucson Police Department news
    > > release. Schoenherr was not wearing a helmet.
    > > Gonzalez "made a deliberate movement to strike that motorcycle,"
    > > Robinson said, calling it a case of road rage. "I can’t think of
    > > another documented incident like that."
    > > Witnesses told police that Gonzalez was upset over "personal matters"
    > > and was driving aggressively, including speeding, following other cars
    > > too closely, cutting cars off and weaving in and out of traffic,
    > > Robinson said.
    > > Police said Gonzalez and Schoenherr got into an argument regarding
    > > Gonzalez’s aggressive driving while they both drove west on East Golf
    > > Links Road. After the argument, police said Schoenherr tried to
    > > distance himself from the minivan, but Gonzalez chased the motorcycle
    > > and rammed it, causing Schoenherr to crash.
    > > Detectives located the van about 12:45 a.m. Sunday at Gonzalez’s house
    > > in the 13900 block of West Grier Road, Robinson said.
    > > Gonzalez was booked into the Pima County jail on one count each of
    > > second-degree murder and leaving the scene of a fatal traffic
    > > accident, the release said. Gonzalez is being held on a $300,000 bond.
    > > In addition to driving on a suspended license for driving under the
    > > influence, Gonzalez’s criminal history includes charges on aggravated
    > > assault, aggravated DUI, failure to carry a vehicle registration card,
    > > driving without a valid driver’s license and driving with a suspended
    > > license, according to Pima County Justice Court online records.
    > > —

    > >Bet this psycho never does a day in prison for this murder.  When you
    > >kill someone with a motor vehicle, it’s always an "accident" in
    > >criminal coddler america.

    > It’s Carl Koella all over again, the minivan driver who killed Terry
    > Barnard – his sentence was a hundred days (with work release after the
    first
    > 30). This even though it was a hit and run.  Koella even had a highway
    named
    > after him, a slap in the face to Barnard’s loved ones.

    >  Or Bill Janklow, who killed Randy Scott, and got hit with a 100 day
    > sentence. Janklow ran a stop sign at 70 miles an hour, about as reckless
    an
    > act as you can get.  Because he was coming from a political event, a court
    > ruled he was on Congressional business and was immune to a civil suit by
    > Scott’s survivors.

    > Or Deana Barnes, who rammed her SUV in to motorcyclist Larry Pitman,
    killing
    > him.  She plead guilty to negigent homicide. She was sentenced to 30
    months
    > of probation.  The condition of her probation?  She ordered to perform
    "acts
    > of kindness or generosity".  The judge planned to check on her a grand
    total
    > of three times during her probation to make sure she met these onerous
    > conditions.

    > Or Dolores Ortiz Garcia, whose blood alcohol level was about twice the
    legal
    > limit when she killed Richard Flores.  She received a whopping 8 months –
    > that’s months, people, not years – and was eligible for work release
    during
    > the day, after the first 30 days of her sentence.

    > Or Kent Johnson, who sped his vehicle down a bicycle lane and ran a red
    > light, killing motorcyclist Randy Sanchez.  Johnson received the heaviest
    > sentence of this bunch – a whole two years. No probation when he’s
    released,
    > won’t even lose his license, and was ordered to pay Sanchez’s family
    $6,000
    > for the price of the motorcycle, and another $7,000 to pay for the
    funeral.

    > Talk about a slap on the wrist.  It’s open season on bikers out there.

    Except that most of the cases you named didn’t involve *deliberately*
    striking someone with a vehicle.  Hopefully that’ll make a difference.
    Rather than neglegent homicide, he’s being charged with 2nd degree
    homicide.

    Many years ago, after I’d had a harrowing experience with a cage-driver,
    I had another biker acquaintance tell me a story very similar to this one.
    A driver had chased him down the highway, caught up with him at an
    off-ramp, rear-ended him, knocked him into the ice-plant.  He was
    lucky enough not to be hurt.

    And sometime during my first year of motorcycling (1979), I had
    a drunk driver chasing me all over city streets in San Francisco
    one night, after I’d said something to him about his driving erratically.
    After splitting lanes between two trucks and losing him down an alley,
    I found a pay phone and called the cops — but they didn’t seem to care.

  4. admin says:

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    Bo Raxo wrote:

    > It’s Carl Koella all over again, the minivan driver who killed Terry
    > Barnard – his sentence was a hundred days (with work release after the first
    > 30). This even though it was a hit and run.  Koella even had a highway named
    > after him, a slap in the face to Barnard’s loved ones.

    >  Or Bill Janklow, who killed Randy Scott, and got hit with a 100 day
    > sentence. Janklow ran a stop sign at 70 miles an hour, about as reckless an
    > act as you can get.  Because he was coming from a political event, a court
    > ruled he was on Congressional business and was immune to a civil suit by
    > Scott’s survivors.

    > Or Deana Barnes, who rammed her SUV in to motorcyclist Larry Pitman, killing
    > him.  She plead guilty to negigent homicide. She was sentenced to 30 months
    > of probation.  The condition of her probation?  She ordered to perform "acts
    > of kindness or generosity".  The judge planned to check on her a grand total
    > of three times during her probation to make sure she met these onerous
    > conditions.

    > Or Dolores Ortiz Garcia, whose blood alcohol level was about twice the legal
    > limit when she killed Richard Flores.  She received a whopping 8 months –
    > that’s months, people, not years – and was eligible for work release during
    > the day, after the first 30 days of her sentence.

    > Or Kent Johnson, who sped his vehicle down a bicycle lane and ran a red
    > light, killing motorcyclist Randy Sanchez.  Johnson received the heaviest
    > sentence of this bunch – a whole two years. No probation when he’s released,
    > won’t even lose his license, and was ordered to pay Sanchez’s family $6,000
    > for the price of the motorcycle, and another $7,000 to pay for the funeral.

    > Talk about a slap on the wrist.  It’s open season on bikers out there. And
    > typified by asshole Scott who thinks a road rage murder of a biker is funny,
    > and means the driver is a tough guy.

    > Bo Raxo

    Those are some great examples of how easy we are on highway killers but
    let’s not forget the best example of all, namely laura bush who blew a
    stop sign in front of witnesses and crashed into and killed her ex
    boyfriend and NOTHING was ever done to her.  And the media doesn’t even
    think the story is newsworthy.!!!

  5. admin says:

    In article <44296359$0$95976$742ec…@news.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder wrote:
    > And sometime during my first year of motorcycling (1979), I had
    > a drunk driver chasing me all over city streets in San Francisco
    > one night, after I’d said something to him about his driving erratically.
    > After splitting lanes between two trucks and losing him down an alley,
    > I found a pay phone and called the cops — but they didn’t seem to care.

    Why not leave the road and go where the ’4-wheeler’ can’t? (or at least
    where you can get further away and his vehicle become seriously and
    expensively damaged)

  6. admin says:

    Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > I guess not all minivan drivers are pussies. ;)

    Seems to me he’s the biggest of all pussies.  Minivan Vs. Motorcycle is
    hardly a fair match.

    If he was a man, he’d tell the guy to pull over and they’d settle it
    with their fists.

  7. admin says:

    > Bet this psycho never does a day in prison for this murder.  When you
    > kill someone with a motor vehicle, it’s always an "accident" in
    > criminal coddler america.

    Just because you continue to have a hard time understanding the word
    "intent" doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

  8. admin says:

    In article <1143566906.931414.204…@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Larry Bud wrote:
    > Seems to me he’s the biggest of all pussies.  Minivan Vs. Motorcycle is
    > hardly a fair match.

    > If he was a man, he’d tell the guy to pull over and they’d settle it
    > with their fists.

    They need to use their vehicle as a weapon because they are fundamentally
    cowards. The only way this type exits the vehicle is if they have 2 or
    more friends along to make sure the odds are at least 3 to 1.

  9. admin says:

    Brent P wrote:
    > In article <44296359$0$95976$742ec…@news.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder wrote:

    >>And sometime during my first year of motorcycling (1979), I had
    >>a drunk driver chasing me all over city streets in San Francisco
    >>one night, after I’d said something to him about his driving erratically.
    >>After splitting lanes between two trucks and losing him down an alley,
    >>I found a pay phone and called the cops — but they didn’t seem to care.

    > Why not leave the road and go where the ’4-wheeler’ can’t? (or at least
    > where you can get further away and his vehicle become seriously and
    > expensively damaged)

    This was inner city — pretty much "downtown".  I coulda gone
    onto the sidewalk, but that wouldn’t have got me far enough
    out of his reach.  S’pose I coulda used a street light for
    a barrier, but, well, didn’t really think of it.   ;-)

  10. admin says:

    Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez the following nonsense:

    > Those are some great examples of how easy we are on highway killers but
    > let’s not forget the best example of all, namely laura bush who blew a
    > stop sign in front of witnesses and crashed into and killed her ex
    > boyfriend and NOTHING was ever done to her.  And the media doesn’t even
    > think the story is newsworthy.!!!

    And lets not forget the best example of power and privledge of them all,
    namely the *honorable* senator ted kennedy who sank Mary Jo Kopechne
    into Chappaquiddick Sound amd left her to drown while he went home and
    sobered up and started pulling strings and calling in favors so he could
    get away with it. And the media doesn’t even think they story is
    newsworthy!!!

  11. admin says:

    Hypocrisy Alert wrote:
    > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez the following nonsense:

    > > Those are some great examples of how easy we are on highway killers but
    > > let’s not forget the best example of all, namely laura bush who blew a
    > > stop sign in front of witnesses and crashed into and killed her ex
    > > boyfriend and NOTHING was ever done to her.  And the media doesn’t even
    > > think the story is newsworthy.!!!

    > And lets not forget the best example of power and privledge of them all,
    > namely the *honorable* senator ted kennedy who sank Mary Jo Kopechne
    > into Chappaquiddick Sound amd left her to drown while he went home and
    > sobered up and started pulling strings and calling in favors so he could
    > get away with it. And the media doesn’t even think they story is
    > newsworthy!!!

    Ted who?

  12. admin says:

    In article <1143566906.931414.204…@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,

    Larry Bud <larrybud2…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
    >> I guess not all minivan drivers are pussies. ;)

    >Seems to me he’s the biggest of all pussies.  Minivan Vs. Motorcycle is
    >hardly a fair match.

    >If he was a man, he’d tell the guy to pull over and they’d settle it
    >with their fists.

    Please.  Minivan driver versus motorcyclist is almost as unfair a
    match as minivan versus motorcycle, only the other way.


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