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Re: Help Me Choose My Next Car

On Oct 2, 10:28 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
> drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
> something that:

> * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
> * Has excellent handling
> * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
> * Has a high bang/buck ratio
> * A convertible would be a plus
> * Rear-wheel drive
> * Has an excellent safety rating
> * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
> * Is cheap to insure  :)

I think a tricycle fits the bill, except it’s FWD.  Someone of your
skill could surely adapt.
 —–

- gpsman

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24 Responses to “Re: Help Me Choose My Next Car”

  1. admin says:

    In article <6o26g3hd3qlpjk289urv8efi0ephab7…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth

    460 cid V8.

    > * Has excellent handling

    Well, you’ll have to accept compromise here.

    > * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention

    Certainly.

    > * Has a high bang/buck ratio

    Should be dirt cheap.

    > * A convertible would be a plus

    Sadly no, but I think there were T-top versions.

    > * Rear-wheel drive

    But of course.

    > * Has an excellent safety rating

    It’s a friggin’ tank.

    > * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability

    These beasts often took 20+ years of abuse in the chicago area.

    > * Is cheap to insure  :)

    Most certainly….

    Your car:

    http://www.californiaclassics.nl/californiaclassics/ford/thunderbird-

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    Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > something that:

    > * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    > * Has excellent handling
    > * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    > * Has a high bang/buck ratio
    > * A convertible would be a plus
    > * Rear-wheel drive
    > * Has an excellent safety rating
    > * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    > * Is cheap to insure  :)

    > I’m thinking that new Lexus IS F that is supposed to come out next
    > year might fit the bill, at least partially (the bang/buck ratio might
    > be a little on the low side :)

    > Any other suggestions for Fearless Flying and Sloth Escaping?

    Porsche Boxter S or Cayman?  That’s what I would be wanting for a new
    car, and at least around here, they are quite common.

    nate


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  3. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 6:49 am, Nate Nagel <njna…@roosters.net> wrote:

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    > Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > > I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > > drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > > something that:

    > > * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    > > * Has excellent handling
    > > * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    > > * Has a high bang/buck ratio
    > > * A convertible would be a plus
    > > * Rear-wheel drive
    > > * Has an excellent safety rating
    > > * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    > > * Is cheap to insure  :)

    > > I’m thinking that new Lexus IS F that is supposed to come out next
    > > year might fit the bill, at least partially (the bang/buck ratio might
    > > be a little on the low side :)

    > > Any other suggestions for Fearless Flying and Sloth Escaping?

    > Porsche Boxter S or Cayman?  That’s what I would be wanting for a new
    > car, and at least around here, they are quite common.

    > nate

    Forgot, another choice would be a ’63 or ’64 Studebaker Lark
    convertible with the "super" package (supercharged engine, HD springs/
    shocks, tach, sway bars, trac bars, 5" wide wheels, etc.) if you can
    find one…  they look very grandma-esqe, although they still might
    attract notice…

    On a more serious note, a 5.0 Mustang is pretty ubiquitous and can
    apparently be made fun for cheap, but I don’t know about "fit and
    finish."  For that matter the Stude fails pretty badly there too,
    although they’re not as plasticky…

    nate

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    In article <l267g35ebt680vq5tlo43p0hdq92v0q…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    >>I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    >>drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    >>something that:

    >>* Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    >>* Has excellent handling
    >>* Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    >>* Has a high bang/buck ratio
    >>* A convertible would be a plus
    >>* Rear-wheel drive
    >>* Has an excellent safety rating
    >>* Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    >>* Is cheap to insure  :)

    > Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    > * NO FORDS!!!

    Otay… then my previous post, except 500cid V8, you can have a
    convertible so this is your car:

    http://www.autoviaggiando.com/archivio/2006/01/07-breve-storia-della-

    On a more serious note… there is always that total-recall styled caddy
    version of the vette ;)

  5. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 9:45 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Nate Nagel <njna…@roosters.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >Porsche Boxter S or Cayman?  That’s what I would be wanting for a new
    > >car, and at least around here, they are quite common.

    > I think a Porsche would fail the "doesn’t attract unwanted attention"
    > test.

    You’d think that, but my own experiences (granted, with a 944) say
    otherwise.  At least less than a black ’84 GTI or silver ’84 Scirocco
    which I certainly didn’t consider "flashy" cars.  Also, most Porsches
    seem to be silver (because German cars look best in silver) or other
    muted colors.

    > On a slight tangent, how would a researcher obtain raw speeding ticket
    > data which includes vehicle make and model? It would be interesting to
    > rank each type of car according to the number of actual tickets that
    > type of car received in a year.

    I dunno, but that certainly would be valuable information to have!

    I’m sure someone with a hookup with a major insurance company’s
    actuarial division could obtain such info. but I don’t know how you
    would go about obtaining it and make it public.

    nate

  6. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 9:44 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:

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    > In article <l267g35ebt680vq5tlo43p0hdq92v0q…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >>I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > >>drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > >>something that:

    > >>* Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    > >>* Has excellent handling
    > >>* Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    > >>* Has a high bang/buck ratio
    > >>* A convertible would be a plus
    > >>* Rear-wheel drive
    > >>* Has an excellent safety rating
    > >>* Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    > >>* Is cheap to insure  :)

    > > Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    > > * NO FORDS!!!

    > Otay… then my previous post, except 500cid V8, you can have a
    > convertible so this is your car:

    > http://www.autoviaggiando.com/archivio/2006/01/07-breve-storia-della-

    > On a more serious note… there is always that total-recall styled caddy
    > version of the vette ;)

    The XLR?  I actually kinda like that; it’s the one Caddy product that
    the new ultra-wedgy styling works on (at least for me)

    nate

  7. admin says:

    In article <o467g3hcei2ag6auijpn64hsat4hhpk…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    >>It’s a friggin’ tank.

    > But it has no AIRBAGS!!!!

    Airbags are dangerous. You wear the seat belt, that’s all you need.

  8. admin says:

    Around 10/3/2007 6:26 AM, Scott in SoCal wrote:

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    > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    >> I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    >> drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    >> something that:

    >> * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    >> * Has excellent handling
    >> * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    >> * Has a high bang/buck ratio
    >> * A convertible would be a plus
    >> * Rear-wheel drive
    >> * Has an excellent safety rating
    >> * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    >> * Is cheap to insure  :)

    > Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    > * NO FORDS!!!

    Well, until you added that, you were describing a Cobra perfectly. You
    know you want (another) one. ;)


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  9. admin says:

    "Scott in SoCal" <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:l267g35ebt680vq5tlo43p0hdq92v0quvd@4ax.com…

    > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    > * NO FORDS!!!
    > —

    Well, that tanked my suggestion…a used police Crown Vic.  If you can find
    an unmarked one driven by a detective, they’re as beat as the regular
    cruisers.

    http://www.used-police-cars.com/

    I’d LOVE to get a rougher-looking high-mileage model for cheap $$$ and then
    drive around "looking for trouble" – heh.

    John B.

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    John B. wrote:
    > "Scott in SoCal" <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:l267g35ebt680vq5tlo43p0hdq92v0quvd@4ax.com…

    >>Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    >>Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    >>* NO FORDS!!!
    >>–

    > Well, that tanked my suggestion…a used police Crown Vic.  If you can find
    > an unmarked one driven by a detective, they’re as beat as the regular
    > cruisers.

    > http://www.used-police-cars.com/

    > I’d LOVE to get a rougher-looking high-mileage model for cheap $$$ and then
    > drive around "looking for trouble" – heh.

    > John B.

    Having driven an Impala for a while I would not recommend the idea.  An
    old cruiser may be a good car, but drivers get an order of magnitude
    dumber around you if they think you’re a cop.

    nate


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  11. admin says:

    In article <9v67g31numkbanul7tg0p16uv5e262q…@4ax.com>,
    Scott in SoCal  <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >Nate Nagel <njna…@roosters.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

    >>Porsche Boxter S or Cayman?  That’s what I would be wanting for a new
    >>car, and at least around here, they are quite common.

    >I think a Porsche would fail the "doesn’t attract unwanted attention"
    >test.

    Depends on where you are.  In certain parts of my area the Boxster is
    downright common.  

      There’s no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
      result in a fully-depreciated one.

  12. admin says:

    On Oct 2, 10:28 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > something that:

    OK Scott, let’s see how a Jeep Wrangler like mine would fare.

    > * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth

    Manual tranny, high gear at 35 mph…doubtful.

    > * Has excellent handling

    Nahhh…notoriously top heavy like any SUV.

    > * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention

    The only attention I get is the Jeep wave from other Jeep drivers. :)

    > * Has a high bang/buck ratio

    Questionable there.  Mine ran $15K after trading a Ranger.

    > * A convertible would be a plus

    Perfect!  A real man’s convertible!  However, it takes about 1-15
    minutes to properly drop the top and stash the windows.  Word of
    caution: any driver with a significant hair length would exit the
    driver’s seat looking like a mad scientist.

    > * Rear-wheel drive

    Has it when the transfer case is in 2H.  Using the 4H and 4L comes in
    handy: if a Jeep ever gets stuck, no vehicle ever belonged there
    anyway.

    > * Has an excellent safety rating

    Not sure about that…see comment on handling.

    > * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability

    So far so good after 2.5 years and 60k.

    > * Is cheap to insure  :)

    Come on Scott, is there such a thing as cheap car insurance for any
    vehicle, especially S. CA?

    > I’m thinking that new Lexus IS F that is supposed to come out next
    > year might fit the bill, at least partially (the bang/buck ratio might
    > be a little on the low side :)

    > Any other suggestions for Fearless Flying and Sloth Escaping?
    > —
    > MFFYCam Videos Galore:http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/http://slothkills.blip.tv/

    Given your average S. CA winters, a Jeep would be a waste.  I don’t
    think SD allows four-wheeling on the beaches anyway.

    I doubt that Aunt Judy would be willing to give up its rolling
    landfill on sandpaper-treaded *tars* to satisfy the change. :)

    Recommendation: keep the ‘Vette, but don’t change the finish to police-
    magnet red.

  13. admin says:

     Scott in SoCal:

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    > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > >drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > >something that:

    > >* Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    > >* Has excellent handling
    > >* Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    > >* Has a high bang/buck ratio
    > >* A convertible would be a plus
    > >* Rear-wheel drive
    > >* Has an excellent safety rating
    > >* Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    > >* Is cheap to insure  :)

    > Whoops, forgot the most important criterion:

    > * NO FORDS!!!

    The rest of us Ford owners are breathing a collective sigh of relief at
    that statement.


    Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfrined  (a.k.a S&DDAM) finally
    admits to what we have known all along:

    ">You’re an idiot.

    >Graham

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  14. admin says:

     Scott in SoCal:

    > I’m thinking about getting something a little less conspicuous to
    > drive around in than a Safety Yellow C6 Corvette. Help me select
    > something that:

    > * Has sufficient power to foil the evil plans of MFFY/Sloth
    > * Has excellent handling
    > * Is low profile – does not attract unwanted attention
    > * Has a high bang/buck ratio
    > * A convertible would be a plus
    > * Rear-wheel drive
    > * Has an excellent safety rating
    > * Has excellent quality, fit, finish, and reliability
    > * Is cheap to insure  :)

    #3 and #5 (unless its a chrysler, a convertable that doesn’t attract
    attention? ROTFL!!)and #1 and #9 are mutually exclusive concepts.

    > I’m thinking that new Lexus IS F that is supposed to come out next
    > year might fit the bill, at least partially (the bang/buck ratio might
    > be a little on the low side :)

    > Any other suggestions for Fearless Flying and Sloth Escaping?

    Get off the road.


     "Man, I gotta tip my hat to Whitey…
     …That Whitey’s a baaad mother fucker!"
                          –Chris Rock

  15. admin says:

     gpsman:

    > I think a tricycle fits the bill, except it’s FWD.  Someone of your
    > skill could surely adapt.

    Are you sure about that?


    "Goody! A challenge! This is going to be fun!"
                                       – Q

  16. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 8:33 pm, necromancer

    <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
    >  gpsman:

    > > I think a tricycle fits the bill, except it’s FWD.  Someone of your
    > > skill could surely adapt.

    > Are you sure about that?

    > —
    > "Goody! A challenge! This is going to be fun!"
    >                                    – Q

    I was half expecting gpstroll to recommend rollerblades.

  17. admin says:

    In article <MPG.216e0cdb2ad7b49698a…@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, necromancer wrote:
    > #3 and #5 (unless its a chrysler, a convertable that doesn’t attract
    > attention? ROTFL!!)and #1 and #9 are mutually exclusive concepts.

    He could get a beat up late 80s cavalier rag top or maybe a K-car? :)

    Actually, I have a good q-ship for scott… but it violates the no fords
    rule…

    http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/

    Of course he could always buy one of these:

    http://www.geocities.com/g_wellwood/automotive/v8vega.html

    Damn… that’s the ‘so I bought another pinto guy’… he is quite the
    glutton for putting v8s in tiny rwd domestics.

    This time his slogan is ‘I broke something else’

  18. admin says:

    In article <8bi8g31f4a43vhka6qbomkoe0dqirg8…@4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher wrote:
    > Any idea why that thing has an oil filter attached to the air
    > cleaner????

    I figure it’s some sort of breather element… off to the ford books…
    Nothing on it in the ’78 shop manual nor in the ’75 motor manual

    It’s the proper ford dark blue so I doubt it’s an oil filter. has to be
    some sort of emissions gizmo/filter case if it’s not a remote reusable
    oil filter or some other owner mod that was painted the right color.

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    In article <7cm8g3lkaa3ksbq4dh97r48j59dgp9q…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
    > rec.autos.driving:

    >>In article <MPG.216e0cdb2ad7b49698a…@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, necromancer wrote:

    >>> #3 and #5 (unless its a chrysler, a convertable that doesn’t attract
    >>> attention? ROTFL!!)and #1 and #9 are mutually exclusive concepts.

    >>He could get a beat up late 80s cavalier rag top or maybe a K-car? :)

    > BAH! Those things can’t even get out of theor own way, much less
    > escape a Phalanx of Sloth!

    >>Actually, I have a good q-ship for scott… but it violates the no fords
    >>rule…

    >>http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/

    > Wow, looks great…

    > http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/Stuart/photos/photo_6.html

    That’s a project in process pic… duh.

  20. admin says:

    In article <i9r8g35dh8b6p2i0at5ohrscdov4i2b…@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > I actually like the new Shelby (as well as the Mustang upon which it
    > is based), but there’s no way in hell I will ever buy one. Ford has
    > fucked me too many times, and there is ZERO indication that they have
    > changed the way they operate.

    On the marketing/sales side they certainly haven’t. Supposedly I am
    supposed to think the shelby mustangs are like some ancient idol that is
    a priceless one of a kind and that we should be privileged to buy one for
    20 grand over sticker…. yeah right.

  21. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 10:56 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    > N8N <njna…@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >On Oct 3, 9:45 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >> Nate Nagel <njna…@roosters.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >> >Porsche Boxter S or Cayman?  That’s what I would be wanting for a new
    > >> >car, and at least around here, they are quite common.

    > >> I think a Porsche would fail the "doesn’t attract unwanted attention"
    > >> test.

    > >You’d think that, but my own experiences (granted, with a 944) say
    > >otherwise.  At least less than a black ’84 GTI or silver ’84 Scirocco
    > >which I certainly didn’t consider "flashy" cars.  Also, most Porsches
    > >seem to be silver (because German cars look best in silver) or other
    > >muted colors.

    > So how many speeding tickets have you received in your 944? :)

    Zippy!  (knocks wood.)

    > Quite frankly I have always liked the shape; I think it’s a shame they
    > stopped making them.

    I do too, the 924 is more "pure" but the 944 looks mean with the big
    ol’ fenders.  Either one is sneered at by "real" Porsche aficionados
    as is the 914.  which is good if you’re buying, not so good if you’re
    trying to justify expensive repairs and maintenance :(

    Heck, my 944 could *be* your next car, as I’m in that quandary right
    now… spend a couple big ones on rehabbing the front suspension
    (prices of new struts and control arms are astronomical) or just look
    for something affordable yet fun (would probably limit me to another
    944 or maybe an early Miata)

    A 951 (944 Turbo) would be a good car for you if you like the shape
    and can deal with a 20 year old car; it looks pretty much the same as
    a regular 944 other than the different nose panel and "turbo" badge,
    but it’s a whole ‘nother car – handles just as well, but has ‘vette-
    like power to weight ratio.

    nate

  22. admin says:

    On Oct 3, 11:24 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >Any other suggestions for Fearless Flying and Sloth Escaping?

    > Interesting how nobody has recommended a BMW, or an Infiniti G37.
    > Those kinds of cars appear in saturation numbers here in SoCal, so
    > driving one would make the driver into a virtual chameleon.

    > How come nobody has mentioned them?
    > —
    > MFFYCam Videos Galore:http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/http://slothkills.blip.tv/

    I didn’t think of Infiniti simply because I’m not a Japanese car kind
    of guy.

    How about an old BMW 3.0CSi with a M5/M6 drivetrain swapped into it?
    There is one of those floating around this area, I’ve seen it at a
    couple shows.  Quite possibly the perfect BMW – a really pretty body
    but with arse-kicking power.  If you want a convertible though you
    would have to look for a fairly recent 3-series.

    If you want to get real funky, how about an old Mercedes-Benz
    convertible?  I just saw a real pretty one the other day with a four
    speed no less.  They still look like old guy cars to me though,
    although that may be the look you’re going for.

    http://www.sportscarmarket.com/profiles/2001/February/German/index.html

    bang for the buck isn’t so great, though, unless you hot rod one and
    put in a bigger engine (and watch the value go down)

    nate

  23. admin says:

    On Oct 4, 9:55 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > N8N <njna…@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

    > >> So how many speeding tickets have you received in your 944? :)

    > >Zippy!  (knocks wood.)

    > That’s encouraging. And it goes without saying that you have never had
    > a cop pull up next to you and warn you to "keep it under the speed
    > limit?" :)

    The damn thing is invisible.  Not only to cops but other drivers as
    well.  It’s a mixed blessing, but it does keep you driving
    defensively :(

    > >Heck, my 944 could *be* your next car, as I’m in that quandary right
    > >now… spend a couple big ones on rehabbing the front suspension
    > >(prices of new struts and control arms are astronomical) or just look
    > >for something affordable yet fun (would probably limit me to another
    > >944 or maybe an early Miata)

    > A whole new front suspension for $2000 is "astronomical?" I just spend
    > that much on TIRES, and it’s going to cost nearly that much (~$1700)
    > to replace my cracked windshield!

    It is when the whole car is worth maybe 3-4K.  Of course, you just
    can’t buy anything else for that price that’s as much fun to drive, so
    I think I know what I’m going to do.

    > >A 951 (944 Turbo) would be a good car for you if you like the shape
    > >and can deal with a 20 year old car

    > Will it do 0-60 in under 6 seconds?

    If you want, sure.

    http://vista.pca.org/stl/944turbo.htm

    If you can find a "Turbo S" model, you’d probably be very happy with
    it.

    nate

  24. admin says:

    Scott in SoCal wrote:
    > Interesting how nobody has recommended a BMW, or an Infiniti G37.
    > Those kinds of cars appear in saturation numbers here in SoCal, so
    > driving one would make the driver into a virtual chameleon.

    > How come nobody has mentioned them?

    Don’t know.  If you’re willing to spend the cash, an Audi RS4 sedan may
    be to your liking.