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	<title>Comments on: Re: fog/driving/head lights (I just got some Hellas&#8230;)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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  In article &lt;1...@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM&gt; e...@ursa-major.spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) writes: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; s...@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: &lt;br&gt; &gt;&gt;Isn&#039;t the idea of a driving light to light up the area close &lt;br&gt; &gt;&gt;to the car? &#160;This shouldn&#039;t affect other drivers much at all. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;(It was pointed out to me that NO, this is not the idea of a driving light.) &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;but it does. &#160;more light is more bother. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;So if I have a 200,000 candle power spotlight aimed into a distant &lt;br&gt; field (not across your path) it&#039;s going to annoy you simply because there &lt;br&gt; is more light radiating from my car. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;No, I don&#039;t buy it. &#160;I think bother is a result of intensity. &#160;(That is, &lt;br&gt; unless you are bothered simply &#039;cause I&#039;ve got more lights than you.) &#160;If I can &lt;br&gt; keep the intensity of the light hitting your eyes down to an _acceptable_ &lt;br&gt; level, I don&#039;t have any qualms about illuminating everything else that I &lt;br&gt; can as much as I can. &#160;(...within reasonable levels - don&#039;t want to ignite &lt;br&gt; anything...) &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;It was, however, pointed out to me that aiming is not always final; with &lt;br&gt; dips, etc. in the road, oncoming traffic may be hit in an area out of the &lt;br&gt; scope of the aim. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;So what ever happened to the polarized windshields &amp; headlights......... &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;--kyler &lt;br&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1&#8230;@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM&gt; <a href="mailto:e...@ursa-major.spdcc.COM">e&#8230;@ursa-major.spdcc.COM</a> (Steve Elias) writes: <br /> 
<p>&gt; <a href="mailto:s...@sage.cc.purdue.edu">s&#8230;@sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> (Kyler Laird) writes: <br /> &gt;&gt;Isn&#8217;t the idea of a driving light to light up the area close <br /> &gt;&gt;to the car? &nbsp;This shouldn&#8217;t affect other drivers much at all. </p>
<p>(It was pointed out to me that NO, this is not the idea of a driving light.)  </p>
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<p>&gt;but it does. &nbsp;more light is more bother. </p>
<p>So if I have a 200,000 candle power spotlight aimed into a distant <br /> field (not across your path) it&#8217;s going to annoy you simply because there <br /> is more light radiating from my car.  </p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t buy it. &nbsp;I think bother is a result of intensity. &nbsp;(That is, <br /> unless you are bothered simply &#8217;cause I&#8217;ve got more lights than you.) &nbsp;If I can <br /> keep the intensity of the light hitting your eyes down to an _acceptable_ <br /> level, I don&#8217;t have any qualms about illuminating everything else that I <br /> can as much as I can. &nbsp;(&#8230;within reasonable levels &#8211; don&#8217;t want to ignite <br /> anything&#8230;)  </p>
<p>It was, however, pointed out to me that aiming is not always final; with <br /> dips, etc. in the road, oncoming traffic may be hit in an area out of the <br /> scope of the aim.  </p>
<p>So what ever happened to the polarized windshields &amp; headlights&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  </p>
<p>&#8211;kyler </p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;5...@ur-cc.UUCP&gt; Mark Sirota &lt;msir_...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu&gt; writes: &lt;br&gt; &gt;This is different from fog lights or cornering lights, which have a short &lt;br&gt; &gt;range (about 500 feet is normal), are aimed a little bit downwards, have a &lt;br&gt; &gt;very wide field of illumination, and are most effective when they&#039;re mounted &lt;br&gt; &gt;as close to the ground as possible. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;For whatever its worth, I recently replaced a set of Bosch Pilot fog lights &lt;br&gt; with a set of Hella 162 fog lights. The Hella&#039;s are approx. 7&quot; round &lt;br&gt; mounted above the bumper and are fitted with 100w bulbs. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I have yet to have anybody mistake these for high beams, so I don&#039;t &lt;br&gt; hesitate to run them on a regular basis. i &lt;br&gt; They are BRIGHT, very similar to the effect of a proper H4/H1 system &lt;br&gt; high beam only concentrated very close to the car. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I also run Hella H4 (55/100w) low beams and H1 (100w) high beams, &lt;br&gt; apart from the fact that they can light up street signs in broad &lt;br&gt; daylight, they do not seem to bother oncoming traffic either. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The problem with most non-eurooptic headlights is that they do not &lt;br&gt; focus light well. From experience, those mini-sealed beams so popular &lt;br&gt; on Gm cars are many times more annoying to oncoming traffic than, say, &lt;br&gt; Cibie Z-beams with 90/100w filaments. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;tim &lt;br&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;5&#8230;@ur-cc.UUCP&gt; Mark Sirota &lt;msir_&#8230;@uhura.cc.rochester.edu&gt; writes: <br /> &gt;This is different from fog lights or cornering lights, which have a short <br /> &gt;range (about 500 feet is normal), are aimed a little bit downwards, have a <br /> &gt;very wide field of illumination, and are most effective when they&#8217;re mounted <br /> &gt;as close to the ground as possible. </p>
<p>For whatever its worth, I recently replaced a set of Bosch Pilot fog lights <br /> with a set of Hella 162 fog lights. The Hella&#8217;s are approx. 7&quot; round <br /> mounted above the bumper and are fitted with 100w bulbs.  </p>
<p>I have yet to have anybody mistake these for high beams, so I don&#8217;t <br /> hesitate to run them on a regular basis. i <br /> They are BRIGHT, very similar to the effect of a proper H4/H1 system <br /> high beam only concentrated very close to the car.  </p>
<p>I also run Hella H4 (55/100w) low beams and H1 (100w) high beams, <br /> apart from the fact that they can light up street signs in broad <br /> daylight, they do not seem to bother oncoming traffic either.  </p>
<p>The problem with most non-eurooptic headlights is that they do not <br /> focus light well. From experience, those mini-sealed beams so popular <br /> on Gm cars are many times more annoying to oncoming traffic than, say, <br /> Cibie Z-beams with 90/100w filaments.  </p>
<p>tim </p>
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