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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;1991Feb16.023447.16...@en.ecn.purdue.edu&gt; j...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Spaggie) writes: &lt;br&gt; &gt;I have a rather simple question regarding the legal aspect &lt;br&gt; &gt;of a radar gun. &#160;Do you have to have a license or permit to &lt;br&gt; &gt;own and use a radar gun. &#160;I have seen several places that sell &lt;br&gt; &gt;radar guns, both X and K band. &#160;In theory, if it was legal to use &lt;br&gt; &gt;one, you could just leave it on and mess up the cops radar. I &lt;br&gt; &gt;know the power of most radar guns is in the 1 to 10 mw range. &lt;br&gt; &gt;While jamming a radar device might be iilegal, it would be &lt;br&gt; &gt;illegal to use a gun to monitor the speed of your own car &lt;br&gt; &gt;for instance? &#160;Does this sound reasonable? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; Jeff Sponaugle &#160; &#160; &#160; j...@ecn.purdue.edu &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Jeff- &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Yes, it is legal to own and operate your own radar gun (at least &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; in Colorado) The local chapter of SCCA uses them now and then to &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; compare trap speeds and other things, and baseball teams use them &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; to measure pitching speeds, etc., the list goes on. &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Anyway, you asked if it would be reasonable to use one to screw &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; up the police radar aimed at you. &#160;In theory this sounds like a &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; good idea, however, it is not likely. &#160;While all radar guns work &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; on the same wave type (radar) and the same principle (Doppler &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; effect) they do not all operate on the same frequency. &#160;It is &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; not likely the one you buy will be on the same frequency as the &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; one you are trying to &quot;jam&quot;. &#160;The way a radar &quot;jammer&quot; works is &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; by sending out radar waves in a wide range of frequencies, hoping &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; to cover the one the gun is using. &#160;However, because they must &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; send out such a wide range, they cannot concentrate enough power &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; in the one (frequency) that really matters in order to cause a &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; sufficient &quot;jam&quot;. &#160;They rarely work, so don&#039;t waste your money. &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Incidentally, I am not an expert on this subject, but I have read &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; a few books on it, and this is the way I interpreted what I read. &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; If anyone out there knows more than me and my ideas are incorrect, &lt;br&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; please let me know so I don&#039;t continue making a fool of myself. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Thanks and Happy Motoring, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Glenn Conser &lt;br&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1991Feb16.023447.16&#8230;@en.ecn.purdue.edu&gt; <a href="mailto:j...@en.ecn.purdue.edu">j&#8230;@en.ecn.purdue.edu</a> (Spaggie) writes: <br /> &gt;I have a rather simple question regarding the legal aspect <br /> &gt;of a radar gun. &nbsp;Do you have to have a license or permit to <br /> &gt;own and use a radar gun. &nbsp;I have seen several places that sell <br /> &gt;radar guns, both X and K band. &nbsp;In theory, if it was legal to use <br /> &gt;one, you could just leave it on and mess up the cops radar. I <br /> &gt;know the power of most radar guns is in the 1 to 10 mw range. <br /> &gt;While jamming a radar device might be iilegal, it would be <br /> &gt;illegal to use a gun to monitor the speed of your own car <br /> &gt;for instance? &nbsp;Does this sound reasonable?  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff Sponaugle &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="mailto:j...@ecn.purdue.edu">j&#8230;@ecn.purdue.edu</a> </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff-  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Yes, it is legal to own and operate your own radar gun (at least <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; in Colorado) The local chapter of SCCA uses them now and then to <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; compare trap speeds and other things, and baseball teams use them <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to measure pitching speeds, etc., the list goes on. <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Anyway, you asked if it would be reasonable to use one to screw <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; up the police radar aimed at you. &nbsp;In theory this sounds like a <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; good idea, however, it is not likely. &nbsp;While all radar guns work <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; on the same wave type (radar) and the same principle (Doppler <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; effect) they do not all operate on the same frequency. &nbsp;It is <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; not likely the one you buy will be on the same frequency as the <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; one you are trying to &quot;jam&quot;. &nbsp;The way a radar &quot;jammer&quot; works is <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; by sending out radar waves in a wide range of frequencies, hoping <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to cover the one the gun is using. &nbsp;However, because they must <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; send out such a wide range, they cannot concentrate enough power <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; in the one (frequency) that really matters in order to cause a <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sufficient &quot;jam&quot;. &nbsp;They rarely work, so don&#8217;t waste your money. <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Incidentally, I am not an expert on this subject, but I have read <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; a few books on it, and this is the way I interpreted what I read. <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If anyone out there knows more than me and my ideas are incorrect, <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; please let me know so I don&#8217;t continue making a fool of myself.  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks and Happy Motoring,  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Glenn Conser </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;1991Feb16.023447.16...@en.ecn.purdue.edu&gt; j...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Spaggie) writes: &lt;br&gt; &gt;I have a rather simple question regarding the legal aspect &lt;br&gt; &gt;of a radar gun. &#160;Do you have to have a license or permit to &lt;br&gt; &gt;own and use a radar gun. &#160;I have seen several places that sell &lt;br&gt; &gt;radar guns, both X and K band. &#160;In theory, if it was legal to use &lt;br&gt; &gt;one, you could just leave it on and mess up the cops radar. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Yes, you do need a license. &#160;The typical license you need to obtain to &lt;br&gt; use a radar gun is a radiolocation license. &#160;Or, you can use a K band &lt;br&gt; radar gun inside the ham band if you have an amateur radio license (Tech &lt;br&gt; class or higher) as the police K band radar guns fall into the middle of &lt;br&gt; the ham band. &#160;You can also tweak X band guns down a bit to have them &lt;br&gt; fall into the ham 10 GHz band. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Transmitting a X/K band gun where a cop is also using a X/K band will typically &lt;br&gt; not mess up his radar. &#160;The reason is that no two radar guns are on exactly &lt;br&gt; the same frequency. &#160;In order to cause any interference, both radar guns &lt;br&gt; would have to be operating well within 1 MHz of each other (within the &lt;br&gt; counter/bandpass filter range), which isn&#039;t very likely, as the design of &lt;br&gt; radar guns allows for a lot of transmitter drift. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;I &lt;br&gt; &gt;know the power of most radar guns is in the 1 to 10 mw range. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Not quite right either. &#160;Most radar guns have a Gunn source power output &lt;br&gt; of over 10 mw. &#160;Typical ERP ratings are from 400 mW to 4 watts. &#160;Some of &lt;br&gt; the older guns were 8 watts ERP. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;While jamming a radar device might be iilegal, it would be &lt;br&gt; &gt;illegal to use a gun to monitor the speed of your own car &lt;br&gt; &gt;for instance? &#160;Does this sound reasonable? &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;No, it wouldn&#039;t be illegal, as long as the device was properly licensed. &lt;br&gt; You can build your own X or K band radar gun to clock your own ground &lt;br&gt; speed relatively easy and inexpensively. &#160;Obtaining the non-amateur &lt;br&gt; license probably wouldn&#039;t be all that difficult either. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; Jeff Sponaugle &#160; &#160; &#160; j...@ecn.purdue.edu &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; --- Jeff &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- &lt;br&gt; &#160;Jeff DePolo &#160;N3HBZ &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Twisted Pair: (215) 386-7199 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &lt;br&gt; &#160;dep...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu &#160; &#160;RF: 146.685- 442.70+ 144.455s (Philadelphia) &#160; &lt;br&gt; &#160;University of Pennsylvania &#160; &#160; Carrier Pigeon: 420 S. 42nd St. Phila PA 19104 &lt;br&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1991Feb16.023447.16&#8230;@en.ecn.purdue.edu&gt; <a href="mailto:j...@en.ecn.purdue.edu">j&#8230;@en.ecn.purdue.edu</a> (Spaggie) writes: <br /> &gt;I have a rather simple question regarding the legal aspect <br /> &gt;of a radar gun. &nbsp;Do you have to have a license or permit to <br /> &gt;own and use a radar gun. &nbsp;I have seen several places that sell <br /> &gt;radar guns, both X and K band. &nbsp;In theory, if it was legal to use <br /> &gt;one, you could just leave it on and mess up the cops radar. </p>
<p>Yes, you do need a license. &nbsp;The typical license you need to obtain to <br /> use a radar gun is a radiolocation license. &nbsp;Or, you can use a K band <br /> radar gun inside the ham band if you have an amateur radio license (Tech <br /> class or higher) as the police K band radar guns fall into the middle of <br /> the ham band. &nbsp;You can also tweak X band guns down a bit to have them <br /> fall into the ham 10 GHz band.  </p>
<p>Transmitting a X/K band gun where a cop is also using a X/K band will typically <br /> not mess up his radar. &nbsp;The reason is that no two radar guns are on exactly <br /> the same frequency. &nbsp;In order to cause any interference, both radar guns <br /> would have to be operating well within 1 MHz of each other (within the <br /> counter/bandpass filter range), which isn&#8217;t very likely, as the design of <br /> radar guns allows for a lot of transmitter drift.  </p>
<p>&gt;I <br /> &gt;know the power of most radar guns is in the 1 to 10 mw range. </p>
<p>Not quite right either. &nbsp;Most radar guns have a Gunn source power output <br /> of over 10 mw. &nbsp;Typical ERP ratings are from 400 mW to 4 watts. &nbsp;Some of <br /> the older guns were 8 watts ERP.  </p>
<p>&gt;While jamming a radar device might be iilegal, it would be <br /> &gt;illegal to use a gun to monitor the speed of your own car <br /> &gt;for instance? &nbsp;Does this sound reasonable? </p>
<p>No, it wouldn&#8217;t be illegal, as long as the device was properly licensed. <br /> You can build your own X or K band radar gun to clock your own ground <br /> speed relatively easy and inexpensively. &nbsp;Obtaining the non-amateur <br /> license probably wouldn&#8217;t be all that difficult either.  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff Sponaugle &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="mailto:j...@ecn.purdue.edu">j&#8230;@ecn.purdue.edu</a> </p>
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<p>&#8211; <br /> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- <br /> &nbsp;Jeff DePolo &nbsp;N3HBZ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Twisted Pair: (215) 386-7199 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br /> &nbsp;dep&#8230;@eniac.seas.upenn.edu &nbsp; &nbsp;RF: 146.685- 442.70+ 144.455s (Philadelphia) &nbsp; <br /> &nbsp;University of Pennsylvania &nbsp; &nbsp; Carrier Pigeon: 420 S. 42nd St. Phila PA 19104 </p>
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