Hi. I just found out about this group, and I was wondering if it would be
a good place to ask about anti-theft devices and alarms. I won’t ask now
to avoid potential flames.
(I just bought a 1991 RED 
Plymoth Laser. I’m enjoying the step up from my
1983 Honda Accord LX.)
[********************************* Bob Igo ********************************]
"I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends." –me
[***************************** gryph...@cmu.edu ***************************]
In a previous article, gryph…@CMU.EDU ("Robert W. Igo") says:
>Hi. I just found out about this group, and I was wondering if it would be
>a good place to ask about anti-theft devices and alarms. I won’t ask now
>to avoid potential flames.
Alarms are discussed more on rec.audio.car
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So there I was, snuggled in the leather seat of my brand new Ferrari.
I had the oiled wooden gear shift in one hand, and the leather wrapped
Momo in the other. I had the stereo cranking _Born to be Wild_…
Only two problems, I was upside down, and under six feet of water…
How about a Nissan Sentra SE-R? It has power mirrors, but, heh, ya got to
live alittle!
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Jon Peccarelli
jonp…@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
’91 Nissan Sentra SE-R
Take a look at the Nissan Sentra SE-R… That is a pretty sporty
car, and cheap, if I remember correctly…
You may want to look at the base model Stealth/3000GT. I *think*
they start at about 18k, but it’s late at night, so I can’t guarantee
that! :-)
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| stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu | ’82 Yamaha Virago 750 – Faster |
| stei0…@pat.cs.fredonia.edu | ’91 Yamaha FZR600 – Even Faster |
| steiger0…@a12t.cc.fredonia.ed | ’91 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 – Too Fast |
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Jon Louis Peccarelli (jonp…@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: How about a Nissan Sentra SE-R? It has power mirrors, but, heh, ya got to
: live alittle!
: —
: ==============================
: Jon Peccarelli
: jonp…@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
: ’91 Nissan Sentra SE-R
Best Handling Car under 18K. Easy, pick up a used BMW. If you really
want to go all out, look at the M3. A race car with street tags.
I’ve driven one, and it will blow your mind.
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o__ __________________ Jeffrey K. Bray -Cruising the Biketrail Of Bad Luck
_,>/’_ _________________ "You don’t have to spend the rest of your life
(_) \(_) ________________ proving you’re honest, but I do."
In article <1994Jul3.052041.29…@penny.cs.fredonia.edu> stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
>From: stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger)
>Subject: Re: Best Handling car under 18k?
>Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 05:20:41 GMT
> Take a look at the Nissan Sentra SE-R… That is a pretty sporty
>car, and cheap, if I remember correctly…
You could get into a SE-R between 12-16k….Stock they dont handle as well as
an Integra, probably as well as the Neon, but has LOTS of potential.
SE-R, 2450lb, 140hp, 17.5 lb/hp, 26 mpg gettin’ on it hard
I’ve had one for 52k miles and it’s been great!
Eclipse GS DOHC.
or the Talon/Laser equivalent – I don’t even remember their names now
Anyway I love mine – handles like a dream…
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Bryan Sullivan (The Pumpkin King)
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Internet: gt00…@prism.gatech.edu
broad…@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (Bill Broadley) writes:
> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
Well, for about 1k-2k more(20k), you can get an INTEGRA GS-R 94′,
with 170hp, and 0-60 in only 6.5 seconds.. fast enough??
it’s also blessed with the free-revving VTEC engine, and the suspension
just about beats everything you listed.. GS-R’s are a real steal for the
price.
>> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
>> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
You didn’t mention if you wanted a brand new car or if you’d consider a
used one. If you’ll consider a used one, you can pick up a 1993 VW Corrado
SLC, with a six cylinder engine and the largest back seat in its class.
I’ve been driving a 1990 G60 and wouldn’t trade it for anything — except
the six cylinder version of the same car! They’re all loaded — a/c,
power windows, power locks, power sunroof, leather interior, and alarm
system. Well worth a look, as a 1993 car will most likely be in mint
condition, and most Corrados are babied — that’s the nature of the car.
0-60 times are in the low sixes, top end is electronically limited to
140mph. Suspension/steering are incredible — almost no body roll.
It is certainly a car to consider. Good luck on your search.
– Matt
mclem…@access.digex.net
Matt Clement (mclem…@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: >> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
: >> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
: >> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
: >> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
: >> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
: You didn’t mention if you wanted a brand new car or if you’d consider a
: used one. If you’ll consider a used one, you can pick up a 1993 VW Corrado
: SLC, with a six cylinder engine and the largest back seat in its class.
: I’ve been driving a 1990 G60 and wouldn’t trade it for anything — except
: the six cylinder version of the same car! They’re all loaded — a/c,
: power windows, power locks, power sunroof, leather interior, and alarm
: system. Well worth a look, as a 1993 car will most likely be in mint
: condition, and most Corrados are babied — that’s the nature of the car.
: 0-60 times are in the low sixes, top end is electronically limited to
: 140mph. Suspension/steering are incredible — almost no body roll.
: It is certainly a car to consider. Good luck on your search.
: — Matt
: mclem…@access.digex.net
Two problems: (1) Annoying auto. belts instead of air bags.
(2) VW is discontinuing the Corrado after 94, according to reports,
since they will be selling the VR6 GTI.
And another thing: Blandest styling this side of the Sentra SE-R!
: Eclipse GS…I love mine – handles like a dream…
Might flunk the Fido Test, though, depending on the compaction
factor of the "70 pound dog" mentioned among the requirements.
A bull terrier could be moderately comfy under the hatch, but
our Doberman certainly isn’t. (He’s also over the console and
into the driver’s seat within minutes after I park!) The back
seat is deeply sculpted to provide sockets for two human butts,
and a big dog will be cramped there.
Try a similarly equipped Galant, a greatly underrated car, though
hardly a true sports car. Or a used Taurus SHO, a bigger and
heavier vehicle with lots of engine, a good suspension, and
undeniable dog room. If you want a smaller, two-door car, look
for the boxier ones (whoever said "Corrado" might be onto something).
You might look at some used Alfas or Saabs or BMWs too.
Rear drum brakes are not necessarily a no-go indicator, but today
almost anything that offers or pretends to offer performance will
have disks at all four corners. Don’t worry about timing belt vs.
chain; the belts are fine if you mind the replacement interval.
Tire diameter is not as big an aspect of street performance as
some people make it out to be in their rush to get a bit bigger
contact patch — some pretty good street rubber is available in
14", lots in 15" (and let me caution you against putting all-
out dry-road, low-profile tires on a real-world car unless you
know what you’re getting into in terms of squirrelly rain handling,
debris flats, banged-up rims, and 12k replacement intervals at
$150 a tire).
Happy motoring,
–Joe
Norman Cheng (nch…@eis.calstate.edu) wrote:
: Well, for about 1k-2k more(20k), you can get an INTEGRA GS-R 94′,
: with 170hp, and 0-60 in only 6.5 seconds.. fast enough??
: it’s also blessed with the free-revving VTEC engine, and the suspension
: just about beats everything you listed.. GS-R’s are a real steal for the
: price.
Norman is right. And let me just add that the Integra has a lot better
resale value than many other cars in its class. You’d be able to feel
confident to take a say, 5 years loan on it, an be confident that the car
will still hold a decent value at the end of your payment.
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In article <wingleeCsn65A….@netcom.com> wing…@netcom.com (Wing K. Lee) writes:
>Norman is right. And let me just add that the Integra has a lot better
>resale value than many other cars in its class. You’d be able to feel
>confident to take a say, 5 years loan on it, an be confident that the car
>will still hold a decent value at the end of your payment.
Hmmm. My friend was trying to sell his ’90 Integra GS a while ago
and the blue book value on those cars isn’t too great. I think it was
less than half of what he paid for.
Gary
In article <2vk1u1$…@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, lpar…@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Lloyd R. Parker) writes:
>Matt Clement (mclem…@access1.digex.net) wrote:
>: >> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>: >> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>: >> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>: >> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
>: >> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
>Two problems: (1) Annoying auto. belts instead of air bags.
>(2) VW is discontinuing the Corrado after 94, according to reports,
>since they will be selling the VR6 GTI.
>And another thing: Blandest styling this side of the Sentra SE-R!
I think the issue is best handling, not seat – belt preference or styling
(which is totally subjective anyway), although those Corrado belts can
smack you in the face. Still probably a very safe car for this class, even
without air bags.
A much more useful caveat would be that the shifter has long throws, and is
not as crisp, say, as the one in the Miata (but then what is?).
Now the GTI will have some bland styling .. at least from the outside, although
you may be zipping past so quickly that no one will get a good look at it.
Joe Chew (jtc…@netcom.com) wrote:
: : Eclipse GS…I love mine – handles like a dream…
<snip>
: Try a similarly equipped Galant, a greatly underrated car, though
: hardly a true sports car.
Unless of course, you can find the limited edition Galant VR-4.
It came out in ’90 or ’91, I believe. 195hp, awd, abs, aws, etc. 2.0l 16v 4 cyl.
engine. Listed at about $22,000
A very unassuming buttkicker.
<snip>
: Happy motoring,
: –Joe
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In article <2v8kec$…@eis.calstate.edu> nch…@eis.calstate.edu (Norman Cheng) writes:
>broad…@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (Bill Broadley) writes:
>> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
>> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
> Well, for about 1k-2k more(20k), you can get an INTEGRA GS-R 94′,
>with 170hp, and 0-60 in only 6.5 seconds.. fast enough??
>it’s also blessed with the free-revving VTEC engine, and the suspension
>just about beats everything you listed.. GS-R’s are a real steal for the
>price.
I concur. I own a 4-door ’94 GS-R, and it is everything you are looking for.
If you find a cooperative dealer, they can be had for around 18K; the dealer
cost on the 4-door (from memory) is about 17200. They are something of a
rarity and getting very popular due to all the good press lately, so I imagine
they will be more expensive for the ’95 model. Try one, you’ll like it.
Ralph Becker
Xyplex Customer Support [Tech. Support hotline 800-435-7997]
rbec…@sup.xyplex.com or 71174.1…@compuserve.com
> I concur. I own a 4-door ’94 GS-R, and it is everything you are looking for.
> If you find a cooperative dealer, they can be had for around 18K; the dealer
> cost on the 4-door (from memory) is about 17200. They are something of a
>rarity nd getting very popular due to all the good press lately, so I imagine
> they will be more expensive for the ’95 model. Try one, you’ll like it.
Hmmm well the going price for the RS model is about $13,700 (from
a Pittsburgh Newspaper add). If the GS-R could be had for 2k more
I’d probably buy it.
It seems that it has 30 more HP, higher reving, closer ratio transmission,
195R15 instead of R14′s, abs, and slightly thicker antiroll bars.
Anybody know of any other important performance differences between the
RS and the GSR?
I’ve only driven the RS, I’ll take out a GSR when I return to the dealer.
BTW thanks for all the input everyone!
–
Bill Broad…@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
Linux is great. Bike to live, live to bike. PGP-ok
>> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>> of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>> it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>> mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and
rev’s
>> nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the
Honda’s.
If you would consider a used car try the 91 -93 240 SX SE, It is perhaps
the best handling car under 55K (Acura NSX is better but over 55K) all it
needs is a set od Dunlop SP Sport 8000 tires, in 205/55 ZR 15 size and it
will be one of the sweetest handling cars on the road. A used SE should
be around $10,000 in excellent condition. 155HP, 160 LBFt, 2600 Lbs,
5-Speed, Super good suspension.
Sean Alexander
> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
>nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
>Something like an RX-7 without the twin turbo engine for under $20k would
>be ideal
I am also looking for a used car. Right now I am considering a ’90
Talon TSi AWD, ’91 NX-2000, and ’90 Integra. I don’t think I can afford the
Talon and NX-2000 are difficult to find. Are there any other cars that I
should consider? Oh yes, since I am in Canada, I can’t get an SE-R.
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Ed Ho
e…@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Mechanical Engineering
University of Waterloo
>> A sport car to me (no flames please), means low weight, top
>>of the line suspension, and a 5-speed. Real world contraints mean
>>it has to have a rear seat/bench big enough for a 70 lb dog. I don’t
>>mind a smaller engine as long as it’s sporty. I.e. sounds good and rev’s
>>nicely. All cars I looked at were fast enough for me except the Honda’s.
>>Something like an RX-7 without the twin turbo engine for under $20k would
>>be ideal
> I am also looking for a used car. Right now I am considering a ’90
>Talon TSi AWD, ’91 NX-2000, and ’90 Integra. I don’t think I can afford the
>Talon and NX-2000 are difficult to find. Are there any other cars that I
>should consider? Oh yes, since I am in Canada, I can’t get an SE-R.
I guess I should have also said that I have about $11-12k CDN to
spend. What do people have to say about a 240 SX? I understand they have
great handling but what about the powerplant? I have heard that it is a
heavy car.
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Ed Ho
e…@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Mechanical Engineering
University of Waterloo
Before I bought my NX2000, I test drove every hatchback and coupe under $25000
CDN. My final 3 favorites were the Acura Integra GS-R, Nissan NX2000 and the
Eagle Talon 4WD Turbo. The Talon was the most fun to drive, only because I
really liked the sound of the turbocharger. However, I didn’t feel the build
quality was as good as the other two. I liked the Integra GS-R ‘s engine
because when it was reved to 8000 rpm, it sounded like a motorbike! The power
steering on it was a little too much though, I could steer with two fingers!
(not kidding!) Finally, when I drove the NX2000, I was simply blown out of
the water with amazement. The steering quality is almost an exact duplicate
of the 300ZXTT. (not kidding!) The engine is also a real treasure. It ran
the smoothest of the group (140 hp). The Integra engine with 170 hp was nice,
but at low revs it seemed like a cheap Honda Civic engine, ie.no guts! Even
though you can get other four cylinder engined cars with more horsepower than
the NX2000, this car was the best packaged car for the money. Ever since I
bought my NX in ’92, I have been totally thrilled with my purchase. I have
also done some engine & exhaust modifications in which the car now puts out
about 180 hp. If you are looking to get a really good compact sports car, GET
THE NX2000!!! Search the country for one, it’ll be worth it.
In article <zewh04.1.003E9…@amoco.com> zew…@amoco.com writes:
>bought my NX in ’92, I have been totally thrilled with my purchase. I have
>also done some engine & exhaust modifications in which the car now puts out
>about 180 hp. If you are looking to get a really good compact sports car, GET
>THE NX2000!!! Search the country for one, it’ll be worth it.
But they are SOOOOO UGLY!
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In article <zewh04.1.003E9…@amoco.com>, zew…@amoco.com writes:
> Before I bought my NX2000, I test drove every hatchback and coupe under $25000
> CDN. My final 3 favorites were the Acura Integra GS-R, Nissan NX2000 and the
> Eagle Talon 4WD Turbo. The Talon was the most fun to drive, only because I
> really liked the sound of the turbocharger. However, I didn’t feel the build
> quality was as good as the other two. I liked the Integra GS-R ‘s engine
> because when it was reved to 8000 rpm, it sounded like a motorbike! The power
> steering on it was a little too much though, I could steer with two fingers!
> (not kidding!) Finally, when I drove the NX2000, I was simply blown out of
> the water with amazement. The steering quality is almost an exact duplicate
> of the 300ZXTT. (not kidding!) The engine is also a real treasure. It ran
> the smoothest of the group (140 hp). The Integra engine with 170 hp was nice,
> but at low revs it seemed like a cheap Honda Civic engine, ie.no guts! Even
> though you can get other four cylinder engined cars with more horsepower than
> the NX2000, this car was the best packaged car for the money. Ever since I
> bought my NX in ’92, I have been totally thrilled with my purchase. I have
> also done some engine & exhaust modifications in which the car now puts out
> about 180 hp. If you are looking to get a really good compact sports car, GET
> THE NX2000!!! Search the country for one, it’ll be worth it.
No doubt NX2000 is a pocket rocket combined with good handling
and potential ( e.g. 0.88g 300ft skidpad ) before any modification
was done, nothing stops me from considering this car until
I heard that this car have lots of defects in long term basis
and the parts were quite expensive, isn’t that is the case?
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Philip Tong
Internet E-mail : hyt…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Computer Science Dept.
Math. Faculty
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA.
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In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca>,
Steve Elliott <s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca> wrote:
>Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
>awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
>the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
>2) I see the car gun up beside me and then it matches my speed. They
>look over my car and me. They are fixiated by my red calipers.
>3) I get a nod. I get to see the front end of their car pump up while
>they "pop" the engine.
>4) At a stop light I can hear their engines rev. and sometimes the
>drvier points to the road ahead.
I’ve notice that since I got my car that a lot more people will do things
like you’ve just described compare to when I drove my truck. I’ll usually
look back over, smile, (maybe, depending on my mood) give the engine a
little rev, then let them proceed to burn out their tires. I bought my car
(a ’95 Nissan 240) right after finals week and upon getting it back in town
had some jerk (at a light) actually back up a bit to get even with me and
tried to get me to race. I think maybe it’s a retard thing or something.
There’s more to a car than a 0-60 time.
>My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
>the wake.
>Please Advise. (on this issue
)
Buy a gun.
>_________________________________________________________________________
>"Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines" – Enzo Ferrari
>Steve Elliot —- s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca
>_________________________________________________________________________
Stan
s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>Some other observations: Most of the harassing cars are modified
>Mustangs and strangely Honda Civic Si’s. I get the occasional Z-28. But
>the common thing is some punk-ass teenager at the pilot seat. This
>happens to me at least 3-4 times / week.
Dude, you’re not the only one with this problem. I’m technically a
teenager and they do it to me too. Probably just because my car is
somewhat sporty and red. Nobody says you have to race them… just
ignore them, and when the light turns green accelarate as usual, or
even more slowly than usual.
One time these two punks in some little
puny ass car came up next to me wanting to race. I nodded at them
so they would think I’d race them. The light turned green, he slammed
on the gas, spinning his wheels, and I just sat there, looking at him,
grinning. Then started up calmly behind him…
Peter
PS: Unless you have a really fast car and theirs is no match for
yours; then you have every right to blow them off. <grin>
In a previous article, s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) says:
>My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
>the wake.
>Please Advise. (on this issue
)
Well, what I usually do is drop the clutch from 3700 rpm or so when the
light turns green. Whoops, that wasn’t the desired response, was it?
Seriously though, did you never race at a few stoplights when you were a
teenager? The guys at C&D seem to mention their "stoplight Grand Prixs"
every issue or two, although one could argue that they have not matured
mentally past their teenage years…
Usually, due to my masochistic nature, I only try and provoke drags with
cars with twice my horsepower and three times my displacement; I get some
perverse thrill from being blown off. What harm does it do to toast some
"teenage punks", as you call them, at a light on a clear, straight road?
Just get a good start, run it through first and second, and by then, it
should be pretty obvious who has the faster car.
As for racing through traffic, well, I won’t try to defend that.
Steve
’92 Protege, ES
P.S. – You mention that you have red calipers. What kind of car are you
running, anyway? Driving around in a snorty tinted Mustang with big wheels
and red calipers, may, believe it or not, be part of your problem. :-)
P.P.S. – You seem perplexed at why so many cars challenging you are
Civics. I have the answer: Hondas are cheap. Teenagers are poor.
Teenagers like to race. Therefore, lots of Honda drivers like to race.
–
Stephen Hui – Computer Engineering, University of Waterloo
Scary quote: "…surveys (show) one in four adult Americans doesn’t know
the Earth revolves around the sun"
pz3…@ehsn13.cen.uiuc.edu (Peter B Zurich) writes:
>s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>>Some other observations: Most of the harassing cars are modified
>>Mustangs and strangely Honda Civic Si’s. I get the occasional Z-28. But
>>the common thing is some punk-ass teenager at the pilot seat. This
>>happens to me at least 3-4 times / week.
(deletia.. always deletia)
I can usually ignore these people, but sometimes I just have to drop them
if they’re being really obnoxious. (maybe one in a hundred)
Recently, I pulled up to an intersection next to an old (78 or 79) Capri.
The driver (sloped head and all) started making the usual racing signs.
I made a point of ignoring him as he revved his engine to redline, and
generally behaved like a twit.
When the light turned green, I tapped my engine up to 3k, let the clutch
out smoothly, and left him so far in the dust, he didn’t even see my
taillights. Well, a brand new mustang GT was coming up behind him, so the
idiot pulled into my lane (behind me) and flagged the mustang over at the
next light apparently telling him (the mustang guy) how I had tricked him,
and how the mustang could get revenge for his pride. The mustang pulled up
next to me, glanced at me and smiled, (at least the driver did) to which I
smiled back. When the light turned green, we were off–like any two quiet,
conservative, responsible citizens, with the capri changing lanes back and
forth behind us. :->
Just to add to it, I never did get above the speed limit in the ‘drag,’ and
I was looking very carefully to make sure there were no other cars around
before deciding to take off.
It was fun. I felt vindicated against idiots for a while.
Colin
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Steve Elliott (s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
: Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
: awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
: the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
: 1) I see the idiots usually blazing up from behind in my rearview. I
: always move over out of curtosity. I think that moving over is an
: invitation for them to harass me.
: 2) I see the car gun up beside me and then it matches my speed. They
: look over my car and me. They are fixiated by my red calipers.
: 3) I get a nod. I get to see the front end of their car pump up while
: they "pop" the engine.
: 4) At a stop light I can hear their engines rev. and sometimes the
: drvier points to the road ahead.
: Some other observations: Most of the harassing cars are modified
: Mustangs and strangely Honda Civic Si’s. I get the occasional Z-28. But
: the common thing is some punk-ass teenager at the pilot seat. This
: happens to me at least 3-4 times / week.
: I have fought temptation in almost every instance. (One punk actually
: swerved into my lane to get me to bite). It really pisses me off
: considering that these teenagers account for a large part traffic
: fatalities.
: My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
: creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
: allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
: know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
: the wake.
: Please Advise. (on this issue
)
: Thanks in Advance.
: _________________________________________________________________________
: "Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines" – Enzo Ferrari
: Steve Elliot —- s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca
: _________________________________________________________________________
Make ‘em roll down the window. When they do, tell them that they’re
going to need a much faster car. Tell them to go get one, and then
maybe you’ll think about it…
Or give ‘em the 1 finger salute, whichever you prefer.
BTW… What kind of car are you driving to elict this much attention?
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| Jon Steiger – DoD# 1038 | ’80 Honda CB650 – Slow |
| stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu | ’82 Yamaha Virago 750 – Faster |
| stei0…@pat.cs.fredonia.edu | ’91 Yamaha FZR600 – Even Faster |
| steiger0…@a12t.cc.fredonia.ed | ’91 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 – Too Fast |
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I thought of another one… Get their plate number, and complain
to the police (for reckless driving or something). Maybe Mommy and
Daddy will take away their car.
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| Jon Steiger – DoD# 1038 | ’80 Honda CB650 – Slow |
| stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu | ’82 Yamaha Virago 750 – Faster |
| stei0…@pat.cs.fredonia.edu | ’91 Yamaha FZR600 – Even Faster |
| steiger0…@a12t.cc.fredonia.ed | ’91 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 – Too Fast |
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Hmm, I know what you mean… but then I can relate to it…
When I was younger I did the same thing with a ’74 bobcat (same as a
. Ever notice that these guys
pinto) with a 2.3 litre 4 banger… Its gotta be some sort of
testosterone induced behaviour…
never have girl friends? And usually its two guys as well!
I went driving downtown on Saturday night and the same thing happened
…
a couple of times… an old honda, a vw golf (old)… I love just
keeping the same distance ahead of them no matter how hard they try.
And I never squeal the tires doing it (while they let ‘em rip!
But then again I did it to a guy in a viper…
I couldn’t resist..
it’s not very often you get nuked by 0-60 in 4.4 secs and quarter mile
in the high 12′s low 13′s… a full second faster than me! I also had
a great chat with the guy and he complained that mostly guys in
mustangs try all the time… He also complained about the rain storms
that were floating around the area at the time (no top!).
Overall we had a good chat at the light, that was the best part of the
whole thing (You don’t see very many exotic/super cars in Ottawa
Canada)… I was all smiles for the rest of the day…
–
Mike McFaul — Car Enthusiast living in a Exotic/Super Car wasteland
In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca>, s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
- Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
– awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
– the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
–
– 1) I see the idiots usually blazing up from behind in my rearview. I
– always move over out of curtosity. I think that moving over is an
– invitation for them to harass me.
EVERYTHING is an invitation to these rocket scientists.
- 2) I see the car gun up beside me and then it matches my speed. They
– look over my car and me. They are fixiated by my red calipers.
–
– 3) I get a nod. I get to see the front end of their car pump up while
– they "pop" the engine.
Nod back. A "Don’t screw with me, jive punk" look would be good at this
time as well.
- 4) At a stop light I can hear their engines rev. and sometimes the
– drvier points to the road ahead.
Nod again. Look down the road. Look back at them. Rev your engine. Give
them the second half of the "Don’t screw with me, jive punk" look
followed by a sly smile. Nod your head, crank your engine and when the
light turns green accelerate normally as they pop their clutch, take 300
miles off of their tires and look foolish screeching down the road.
Extra points are awarded if there is a cop nearby to punish the
miscreants.
–
Dave Ratcliffe vogon1!frackit!d…@cse.psu.edu
Harrisburg, Pa.
In a previous article, s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) says:
>Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
>awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
>the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
>My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
>the wake.
Hmm.. Sometimes ( when I’m driving a car I know will take em ),
I like to spank em, show em up.. But, I’m not into dragging.
Here are a few things I have done in response to em..
1) Let them burn a few hundred miles off this tires. STay about one
This is especially nice on
or two car lengths behind them. Enough so they can see ya ( not
in blind spot ), but close enough, they know they are not
smoking ya. Ten to one, they’ll keep accelerating to stay
ahead.. Sometimes I like to see how fast I can "push them"
before they chicken out
an open, clear country road wher it’s safe.
2) Talk to them.. "So, ya wanna race? Let’s have a REAL man race.."
The 
Most of these punks only know the 0-60 drag race. Challenge
em to an apropriate place to race: e.g. twisting turns,
alot of braking etc. Most likely, these "punks" are driving
point n shoot cars.. Hell, one time i had an awesome time
beating a decked out mustang in a rental Probe
‘Stang was all over that road, he didn’t know how to brake
and turn worth squat. By the way he was driving, I doubt
he ever had raced on a winding road, where hishaving triple
the horse power didn’t help him
3) If you want to be mean.. if you see a cop down the road a bit..
act like yer willing to drag.. when they bite, and burn
down the road.. calmly sail past them, as they are being
pulled over..
4) Motion to them to roll down their window.. When they do, ask
em.. "Pardon me, do you have any Grey-Poop-on?"
5) In another case, I just picked up a rental T-bird V8 (*)
One of the guys at the dorm with a new MX-6 asked if
we wanted to race.. I said sure.. Let’s race to Chicago
( I was leaving from Cleveland.. )
He wasn’t interested
* I rented cars in college when ever I needed to drive
long distances…
—
So there I was, snuggled in the leather seat of my brand new Ferrari.
I had the oiled wooden gear shift in one hand, and the leather wrapped
Momo in the other. I had the stereo cranking _Born to be Wild_…
Only two problems, I was upside down, and under six feet of water…
In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca>, s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
>the wake.
Okay–Red calipers (Porsche 911 3.6 Turbo?)…Nice car!
First of all I’m 19. I raced with Skip Barber and enjoy high-speed driving,
and racing. I would definatly be one of the people pulling up next to
you, (I can’t afford the kind of car I could handle, (*sigh*)). The
best way to get someone like me to stop messin’ with you is…Well
there are several ways…
1)Stop!
2)Ignore (Us)!
3)Hang you arm out the window, put your seat back at about a 45-50 degree
angle–put in the Doors and cruise…(Won’t mess with a man just
ridin’ out!).
4)Or smoke us…(This is preferable…We don’t want to race…At least I
VW Jetta driving don’t…I just want to SEE what you car’s got!)
Most teenagers aren’t stupid…They know what kind of car you have…and how
fast it is…They just want to see it going that fast!
BTW in most "youngins’" opinion if you buy a Porsche and drive it like a
Caddy…You should be shot and the Porsche givin’ to the nearest person
who could capabily handle DRIVING are Porsche.
(Oh…If someone ever comments that they like your car…In a parking lot
let them look at it…and tell them your name…The next time they see
you on the road they won’t want to race…Just say hi, to the guy with
that Porsche!)
LATER!
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In article <2v9i2nINN…@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
<ra…@maple.circa.ufl.edu> wrote:
>Most teenagers aren’t stupid…They know what kind of car you have…and how
>fast it is…They just want to see it going that fast!
Hmm, this is a pretty good explanation. I would figure that if I
come up to an exotic, I would like to see it go fast. But the
best place to see nice cars go fast is at a race track.
>BTW in most "youngins’" opinion if you buy a Porsche and drive it like a
>Caddy…You should be shot and the Porsche givin’ to the nearest person
>who could capabily handle DRIVING are Porsche.
I used to think this way, too; but the thing you’re forgetting is
that people who are driving their Porsches probably had most of
their thrills when they first bought their car. Now it’s just a
ho-humer (not literally) and they could easily drive their cars
fast whenever they want to–just that they choose to drive it
"slowly" most of the time. It’s a lot more difficult than you
think to drive a "fast" car slowly.
Ken
p.s. No, I don’t have a Porsche.
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Wo…@freeport.uwasa.fi (Keith Ryan) writes:
> 2) Talk to them.. "So, ya wanna race? Let’s have a REAL man race.."
The 
> Most of these punks only know the 0-60 drag race. Challenge
> em to an apropriate place to race: e.g. twisting turns,
> alot of braking etc. Most likely, these "punks" are driving
> point n shoot cars.. Hell, one time i had an awesome time
> beating a decked out mustang in a rental Probe
> ’Stang was all over that road, he didn’t know how to brake
> and turn worth squat. By the way he was driving, I doubt
> he ever had raced on a winding road, where hishaving triple
> the horse power didn’t help him
Interesting and an excellent point. By the time you learn how to
heel-n-toe most people give up the Stop-light Grand Prix. But these
teenagers barely out of driver’s ed are put behind powerful (excluding
Civics) cars.
In the case of the Mustang, good hp but lousy brakes (previous edition).
These things are death traps for teenage jockeys. It is this age group
that raises insurance rates for performance cars like the Mustang (theft
too). In Ontraio they are considering a 40% increase in performance cars
insurance rates, regardless of age
Just this weekend, 5 teenage punks were racing on a local expressway.
The car flipped and went up in flames. Fortunately the punks survived.
The reason for my original post was that I LOVE to smoke arrogant sobs
but if I do it is a form of encouragement. So the dilemma still exists,
even if it is in my mind.
_________________________________________________________________________
"Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines" – Enzo Ferrari
Steve Elliot —- s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca
_________________________________________________________________________
ra…@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
> Okay–Red calipers (Porsche 911 3.6 Turbo?)…Nice car!
> First of all I’m 19. I raced with Skip Barber and enjoy high-speed driving,
> and racing. I would definatly be one of the people pulling up next to
> you, (I can’t afford the kind of car I could handle, (*sigh*)). The
> best way to get someone like me to stop messin’ with you is…Well
> there are several ways…
Brembo Calipers ! (I needed them)
I wish that more teens took the initiative like yourself to go to driving
school, there they realize that they are not invincible. They will
appreciate speed.
> Most teenagers aren’t stupid…They know what kind of car you have…and how
> fast it is…They just want to see it going that fast!
> BTW in most "youngins’" opinion if you buy a Porsche and drive it like a
> Caddy…You should be shot and the Porsche givin’ to the nearest person
> who could capabily handle DRIVING are Porsche.
This is where your logic gets flaky. If you know what kind of car i have
than you should know what kind of performance it is capable of. If you
want to see a car go fast go to a Indy-car event. The roads are for
transportation not racing by wannabe jockeys.
I agree Porsches must be drvien hard to be appreciated…on the track.
However, what I buy and what I do with it is MY perogative.
_________________________________________________________________________
"Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines" – Enzo Ferrari
Steve Elliot —- s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca
_________________________________________________________________________
Steve Elliott (s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
: I have fought temptation in almost every instance. (One punk actually
: swerved into my lane to get me to bite). It really pisses me off
: considering that these teenagers account for a large part traffic
: fatalities.
: My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
: creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
: allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
: know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
: the wake.
: Please Advise. (on this issue
)
Seeing that I’ve been on both sides of the issue, I feel I can answer
this.
Lemme tell you a story. SOme punk kid and his girlfriend were driving
behind me ( the girl was in the passenger seat, none of that kinky
stuff) At the stop sign, he sets beside me and then guns it. I’m in
the slow lane. He passes me, quite easily ( I wasn’t racing or nothin’)
and gives me a "I-just-passed-you-up-and-impressed-my-girlfriend-all=
at-once-smile) , then cuts me off and California-rolls a right turn at
the stop sign. And the boy did it right in front of a COP!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Cop pulls him over and I pass by laughing hysterically
right at his face! He flips me off, but in the long run, I don’t have a
fine to pay. Moral: Just be patient. One day, you will be blessed with
such an event and will make up for every cut-off, look , etc. that
you’ve ever been given. I’ts been a month since, and I still giggle
whenever I remember that wonderful day.
GOD, What a great feeling!!
"TM"
In article <2v9i2nINN…@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
<ra…@maple.circa.ufl.edu> wrote:
>BTW in most "youngins’" opinion if you buy a Porsche and drive it like a
>Caddy…You should be shot and the Porsche givin’ to the nearest person
>who could capabily handle DRIVING are Porsche.
People don’t drive fast doesn’t they can’t drive fast. But it at least
means that they know what they should do on a road built for every tax
payer.
-Kennis
–
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Kennis
kmc2…@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
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So, this kid pulls up next to me at a red light and wants to race.
Noticing the policeman’s nose sticking out of a driveway, I rev’ed
the engine and poped the clutch, and churpped the tires, and quit.
The kid went through the red light and got a pulled over. :-) !
John.
In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca> s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
}Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
}awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
}the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
}
}1) I see the idiots usually blazing up from behind in my rearview. I
}always move over out of curtosity. I think that moving over is an
}invitation for them to harass me.
}My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
}creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
}allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
}know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
}the wake.
Get a radar gun. When they take off, hit them with the radar. Should
put some fear into them, presuming they have radar detectors.
–
Matthew T. Russotto russo…@eng.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca>, s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
|> considering that these teenagers account for a large part traffic
)
|> fatalities.
|>
|> My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
|> creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
|> allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
|> know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
|> the wake.
|>
|> Please Advise. (on this issue
|>
|> Thanks in Advance.
As a just-post teenager, I think I understand. There was nothing to do as
a teenager. Nothing! You’re too cool to do most things, and not mature
enough to do most other things. That leaves you with /dev/null. So, we kind
of reach out for that kind of thing. Everyone is a teenager at some point,
and if you didn’t have these kind of wild feelings, you were probably in the
minority, even though there’s nothing wrong with it.
Yes we cause the majority of traffic fatalities, we have the highest insurance
rates, and we’re all-around pretty dangerous. You can live like an adult
your whole life, but to what end? Now, I hate people who try to drag me in
their Yugos just as much as the next guy, but there’s just nothing to do
about it in the end. nothing.
–
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| Pete Heist of NT Bell Northern Research V.O. Support |
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In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca>
s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>Some other observations: Most of the harassing cars are modified
>Mustangs and strangely Honda Civic Si’s. I get the occasional Z-28. But
>the common thing is some punk-ass teenager at the pilot seat. This
>happens to me at least 3-4 times / week.
Only 3-4 times a week? I remember a time and some places where it would
happen to you 3-4 times an hour! And, of course, the cars are annoying
because the punks who want to race can’t afford your red calipers.
That’s why kids invented the Deuce Coupe, etc etc.
Best solution? Wait for a time when there is cop in the vicinity,
then give the high sign, tach it up, and watch what transpires.
Particularly good if the cop used to be street racer. Where I grew
up, that cop would ‘tap’ on a tailight with his flashlight as he walked
up, and write you up for a broken light as well as the traffic violation….
Second best solution? Tell those kids to come down here or visit some
other town where about half the F-250 pickups run red lights. One good
t-bone will cure them, permanently.
–
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russo…@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca> s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>}Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
>}awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
>}the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
>}
>}1) I see the idiots usually blazing up from behind in my rearview. I
>}always move over out of curtosity. I think that moving over is an
>}invitation for them to harass me.
>}My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>}creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>}allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>}know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
This just happened to me. I’m cruising up the fast lane passing a
couple of cars and before I have a chance to pull over to the middle
lane, this punk kid in a Honda cuts over and tries to pass me on
the right.
I hate Hondas, I mean, really really hate Hondas, so I say to myself,
self, time to smoke this fool. I have a Plymouth Acclaim LE with the
3.0 V6.
I blew by him easily and the race was on. He never did pass me again
and I had it up to 105 at times. There were very very few cars on the
road, or I wouldn’t have done this, BTW.
It did feel real good!!!! God I love over-drive.
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In article <2vaq01$…@agate.berkeley.edu> Mark Das, rma…@soda.berkeley.edu
writes:
<some parts about punks mixing gasoline and testosterone snipped>
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>Steve Elliott (s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
>: My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>: creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>: allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>: know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
>: the wake.
>: Please Advise. (on this issue
)
>And the boy did it right in front of a COP!!!!!
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Cop pulls him over and I pass by laughing hysterically
>right at his face! He flips me off, but in the long run, I don’t have a
>fine to pay. Moral: Just be patient. One day, you will be blessed with
>such an event and will make up for every cut-off, look , etc. that
>you’ve ever been given. I’ts been a month since, and I still giggle
>whenever I remember that wonderful day.
>GOD, What a great feeling!!
>"TM"
I have been lucky enough to have two such incidents:
1. Driving to work on a four lane road. Two beater pickups in front of me,
messing with each other; I can’t get past them. We come to a traffic light.
Both stop side by side. After 15 seconds, one just takes off!!! *** The
light’s still red, and there is left turn traffic from the cross street pulling
out in front of us. *** The second car to turn left after he goes is a Texas
state trooper!!! See your comments above, begining with HAHAHA….
2. I’m exiting the freeway. A kid driving some type of small pickup (hmmm,..
) is on the frontage road, 3 to
never noticed the common thread here…
4 car lengths behind. He has to yield to me as I exit the freeway. Instead, he
guns it. I just move on over on top of him. We both take the cloverleaf to the
light. He pulls alongside and yells, ‘Where’d you learn how to drive,
as&h#$e??’ I calmly ask him to repeat the question; he does. I ask ‘Is that a
rhetorical question?’ After a very perplexed look, and about 5 to 10 seconds,
he says, ‘Oh yea? Well f&$K you!!’, and takes off. I just giggled…
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Steve Cutchen Upon reflection,these opinions may not even be my own;
scutc…@arco.com they’re certainly not my employer’s…
In defense of teenagers, they are all not boy-racers, and there are some
adults who horse around more than teenagers. How about the guy that gets
a warehouse job after high school, and after 5 hard years, buys himself a
used camaro and races every "college fag" in sight. The butt-nasty sight
of a farmer-tanned testosterone king who threatens to kick the hell out of
you if you look at him when you can’t help but look at him because he
looks like the BIGGEST ASS KNOWN TO MAN should be the target of these
posts. Maybe the best thing to say to such a jerk is "Hey, what is
MINIMUM WAGE these days, buddy?" Not that he’d get the insult or
anything, but the simple fact that he didn’t get it makes it more
insulting.
Mike
In article <CsH8vF….@world.std.com>, p…@world.std.com (Peter R Cook) writes…
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>russo…@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>>In article <oeXsoc2w1…@sms.business.uwo.ca> s5ell…@sms.business.uwo.ca (Steve Elliott) writes:
>>}Usually, it is difficult to provoke me on the road to speed. But it is
>>}awfully trying at times. I get harassed by teenage punks on the road all
>>}the time to race. Usually this is the pattern:
>>}
>>}1) I see the idiots usually blazing up from behind in my rearview. I
>>}always move over out of curtosity. I think that moving over is an
>>}invitation for them to harass me.
>>}My Question is how do you netters handle this problem? Please discuss any
>>}creative and safe ideas that will thwart the punk’s ambition and yet
>>}allow some satisfaction for myself. I have gunned it occasionaly but I
>>}know this is unsafe BUT DAMN, is it ever satisfying leaving those cars in
Before you condem all teenagers – remember what you did within a first year
or so of getting your driver’s license. I can’t name one person (at least
male) that hasn’t tried to find what the top-end of his parant’s car was.
Now some of us bough our own cars – mine a ’70 GTO. I think the only thing
that kept me from being another statistic (like a guy in my class who
wrecked his father’s corvette TWICE! – totalled it the second time and
fortunately for him only resulted in one leg being 1" shorter than the
other) was the fact that is was my money wrapped up in the car…all my
money.
I remember quite vividly the jerk who thought my coming to a complete stop
at right-turn-on-red deserved a honk on the horn. A guy in his two-door
oldsmo-buick. Needless to say I took my time making that turn. He then
thanked me by laying on the horn as he passed – er.. tried to pass the
extra blast on the horn prompted me to accelerate and show him the
taillights again. I made it my civic duty to insure this guy did not
exceed the 35mph speed limit. Not to say that my maneuver was any better –
but it seems idiots come in all shapes, sizes and ages.
Last but not least – The secretary came to me asking what I though of the
mustang GT. I was at the time an owner of a Mustang LX 5.0. I said it was
a reasonable sports car for its price – and very fast for its price. I
asked for whom she was considering it. She said for her 16 year old son.
I advised her not to buy it for him sighting my experience with the GTO. I
said her son should have a financial stake in whatever car he drives. The
trick of giving the kid the slow car doesn’t work – just about any car will
do 80mph. She said no problem – he’s using some inheratance he got. Red
flags go up – but she’s not listening. About 6months later she calls me
into her area. She says her son had a major accident – $6000 worth. A few
dollars short of totaling the car. Since he paid cash and had no
comprehensive (or whatever its called) insurance he had to pay the damages
out of his own pocket (dip into the inheratance). It seems he was showing
off at a mall and lost control of the car – going over a curb and sidways
down a 10ft slope into a ditch. Plenty of trees to arrest his motion. He
was lucky IMHO.
If you have a young male driver (not to be sexist but I remember only 1 or
2 girls that actually drove exceedingly fast) in your family – I’m willing
to bet he’s done more than his share of stupid things behind the wheel.
I don’t have children yet, but if my child where to show an interest in
automotive racing I would definitly take him to the drag strip – show him
the proper and legal way to race. Drag strips are relatively safe,
straight line with little chance of car to car contact and a very little
chance of hitting anything. I feel that an organized sanctioning
body – with all its rules – can teach respect for safety much better than
the just say "no" campaign that is so often used.
I have sold the GTO years ago, and recently, I had sold the Mustang LX. I
do enjoy the occasionaly stop-light cames (depending on my mood) but the LX
was so plain looking it hardly ever got a second look. The only ‘race’
that I had was against a 3000GT turbo. On a 4lane road that narrowed to 2
lanes – I decided to pass him since he dicided to do 35mph in a 40 zone.
As I passed in the right lane – he gunned it. As I signaled to pull back
into the left lane ahead of the GT I noticed it wasn’t safe anymore (he had
moved up) So I floored it until a sufficient gap was there. I suspect
either he didn’t know how to drive his car, didn’t have the revs / wrong
gear or didn’t have boost – but in any case he fell behind. With an
automatic trans and V-8 gear selection isn’t very important. I admit it
was fun – the real danger was minimal. I met the guy a few traffic light
latter (I was turning left and he was going straight). After ex-changing
some mutual compliments about each other’s car I invited him to go drag
racing – he said he’d think about it but he never called….
I’ve always wanted to see a nice Porsch 3.6 Turbo take on the hords of cars
at the drag strip (there is a street class – sometimes called the trophy
class) especially the legions of 5.0′s. Any takers? esp. in the Maryland
area? Please leave you M3′s at home – unless heavily modified – unless of
course you don’t mind being embarassed (just had to add that last remark
.
Dirk
>>>>> "P" == Peter R Cook <p…@world.std.com> writes:
P> This just happened to me. I’m cruising up the fast lane passing a
P> couple of cars and before I have a chance to pull over to the middle
P> lane, this punk kid in a Honda cuts over and tries to pass me on
P> the right.
P> I hate Hondas, I mean, really really hate Hondas, so I say to myself,
P> self, time to smoke this fool. I have a Plymouth Acclaim LE with the
P> 3.0 V6.
P> I blew by him easily and the race was on. He never did pass me again
P> and I had it up to 105 at times. There were very very few cars on the
P> road, or I wouldn’t have done this, BTW.
P> It did feel real good!!!! God I love over-drive.
Get a grip. Driving an Acclaim over a 100 mph, you’re lucky you’re
here. BTW, overdrive is usually slower than third gear, so I’m not
sure what this had to do with your little race – maybe you loved the
excellent fuel economy of the overdrive at those speeds?
Jeff Goss