Hi All,
TheWorldwide Highway Library has just added new photographs of six US
Federal Routes from three states. The states represented are Kentucky,
Tennessee and Missouri:
http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/repository.html#us
Enjoy!
Cheers,
Carl Rogers
"Adding human experience to highway enthusiasm"
********
Calrog.com, http://www.calrog.com :
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An integrated media arm in Turn-of-the-Century PC Development, International
Highway Research, and Interpersonal Psychology. Has served your home
country and ninety-four of its worldwide neighbours since 2000, through
Internet downstream and published works.
********
In article <JLadnbofS_gS1m_YnZ2dnUVZ_umln…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
> I know first-hand that this is the case. I’ve run outside upon hearing
> my car alarm going off and saw the thieves running.
> Car alarms are cheap and they work.
I used to live near the ‘L’ in chicago. The ‘L’ set the alarms off all the
time. Nobody paid any attention to the car alarms going off. The owners were
seemingly never around to ‘come out’ either.
In apartment complexes I’ve lived in, they just irritated people and again
nobody did anything when hearing them. Owners didn’t come out to quiet them
either.
> How often do you actually hear car alarms going off anymore?
I don’t hear them much any more because I’ve moved and people keep their cars
indoors. That’s the only reason I don’t hear them any more. Well except in the
distance.
> Cops and 911 dispatchers need to stop making judgement calls. Anyone
> else remember the cop who took 45 minutes to respond to a call about
> child abuse that was a full 2 miles away? The cop decided it wasn’t
> anything serious and insisted on ticketing someone for expired plates
> before he went to investigate.
Car theft, breakins, etc are just property crimes. You can expect the cops to
show up in a couple or three hours.
Brent P wrote:
> In article <JLadnbofS_gS1m_YnZ2dnUVZ_umln…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
>>I know first-hand that this is the case. I’ve run outside upon hearing
>>my car alarm going off and saw the thieves running.
>>Car alarms are cheap and they work.
> I used to live near the ‘L’ in chicago. The ‘L’ set the alarms off all the
> time. Nobody paid any attention to the car alarms going off. The owners were
> seemingly never around to ‘come out’ either.
1: Is that representative of all places where people have car alarms?
2: You state that you used to live there – I’m well aware of the fact
that car alarms falsely alerting used to be a plague – 10-15 years ago,
but they have advanced since then.
> In apartment complexes I’ve lived in, they just irritated people and again
> nobody did anything when hearing them. Owners didn’t come out to quiet them
> either.
Again, that used to be the case 10-15 years ago. It simply isn’t so
anymore.
>>How often do you actually hear car alarms going off anymore?
> I don’t hear them much any more because I’ve moved and people keep their cars
> indoors. That’s the only reason I don’t hear them any more. Well except in the
> distance
So if you did hear one close by, you wouldn’t wonder about it? You
wouldn’t at least look out your window to see which idiot neighbor of
yours had a car alarm which was going off?
And if you did see someone who didn’t look like your neighbor getting
into the car, you would just ignore it?
Not much different from the people who witnessed their neighbor being
attacked and did nothing.
.
>>Cops and 911 dispatchers need to stop making judgement calls. Anyone
>>else remember the cop who took 45 minutes to respond to a call about
>>child abuse that was a full 2 miles away? The cop decided it wasn’t
>>anything serious and insisted on ticketing someone for expired plates
>>before he went to investigate.
> Car theft, breakins, etc are just property crimes. You can expect the cops to
> show up in a couple or three hours.
If that – it all depends though. That time my car alarm and I chased
several thieves off – they were already running by the time I ran out my
back door (seconds after the alarm went off), the cops showed up within
an hour. Way too slow to prevent the crime that had already happend or
catch the crooks who were fleeing when I called. It almost seemed to be
to explain to me that an auto-burglary was not something I should call
911 for.
So, calling the cops because someone is breaking into your car (alarm or
not) – not such a good idea.
The sound of a car alarm scaring off thieves – still very effective.
In article <gvOdnb2vRqQQym_YnZ2dnUVZ_q6vn…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
> Brent P wrote:
>> In article <JLadnbofS_gS1m_YnZ2dnUVZ_umln…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
>>>I know first-hand that this is the case. I’ve run outside upon hearing
>>>my car alarm going off and saw the thieves running.
>>>Car alarms are cheap and they work.
>> I used to live near the ‘L’ in chicago. The ‘L’ set the alarms off all the
>> time. Nobody paid any attention to the car alarms going off. The owners were
>> seemingly never around to ‘come out’ either.
> 1: Is that representative of all places where people have car alarms?
Didn’t say it was… You have your personal experience, I have mine.
> 2: You state that you used to live there – I’m well aware of the fact
> that car alarms falsely alerting used to be a plague – 10-15 years ago,
> but they have advanced since then.
>> In apartment complexes I’ve lived in, they just irritated people and again
>> nobody did anything when hearing them. Owners didn’t come out to quiet them
>> either.
> Again, that used to be the case 10-15 years ago. It simply isn’t so
> anymore.
That wasn’t 10-15 years ago.
>>>How often do you actually hear car alarms going off anymore?
>> I don’t hear them much any more because I’ve moved and people keep their cars
>> indoors. That’s the only reason I don’t hear them any more. Well except in the
>> distance
> So if you did hear one close by, you wouldn’t wonder about it? You
> wouldn’t at least look out your window to see which idiot neighbor of
> yours had a car alarm which was going off?
Maybe when it went off for the 2nd or 3rd time or if it kept making noise for
several minutes.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Brent P wrote:
> In article <gvOdnb2vRqQQym_YnZ2dnUVZ_q6vn…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
>>Brent P wrote:
>>>In article <JLadnbofS_gS1m_YnZ2dnUVZ_umln…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
>>>>I know first-hand that this is the case. I’ve run outside upon hearing
>>>>my car alarm going off and saw the thieves running.
>>>>Car alarms are cheap and they work.
>>>I used to live near the ‘L’ in chicago. The ‘L’ set the alarms off all the
>>>time. Nobody paid any attention to the car alarms going off. The owners were
>>>seemingly never around to ‘come out’ either.
>>1: Is that representative of all places where people have car alarms?
> Didn’t say it was… You have your personal experience, I have mine.
And my personal experience is that they can prevent crime and thus are
not worthless.
Something does not have to be 100% effective in 100% of all
circumstances in order to avoid being labeled as "worthless".
By Scott’s logic, taking the keys out of your ignition and locking your
car is "worthless" as well. It certainly isn’t going to guarantee that
you car won’t be stolen by doing so.
Similarly, having jumper cables in my trunk isn’t worthless either.
I’ve never had to use them for my own car – not this one anyway – but
they have helped others.
On Mar 10, 2:13 pm, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are HELL of a lot more annoying DAILY occurences than car
> alarms. I can’t remember the last time I heard one.
That’s because they go off so frequently you don’t even think about
it. If I heard a car alarm go off I wouldn’t even bother to
investigate unless it was bothering me (like if I was trying to
sleep). Car alarms are a daily occurence. If you are in a shopping
center buying grocery at Safeway and someone forgets to disable the
alarm on their car and they activate it by opening the door will you
even think twice about hearing the alarm go off? No you won’t.
mahadra…@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2:13 pm, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>There are HELL of a lot more annoying DAILY occurences than car
>>alarms. I can’t remember the last time I heard one.
> That’s because they go off so frequently you don’t even think about
> it. If I heard a car alarm go off I wouldn’t even bother to
> investigate unless it was bothering me (like if I was trying to
> sleep). Car alarms are a daily occurence.\
What trailer park do you live in?
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
> If you are in a shopping
> center buying grocery at Safeway and someone forgets to disable the
> alarm on their car and they activate it by opening the door will you
> even think twice about hearing the alarm go off? No you won’t.
mahadra…@gmail.com wrote in
news:1173568057.297139.306960@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> On Mar 10, 2:13 pm, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> There are HELL of a lot more annoying DAILY occurences than car
>> alarms. I can’t remember the last time I heard one.
"Annoying" is when you unlock your car,find out the door is already
unlocked when you KNOW you locked it the day before,and there’s wires
hanging down and a vital part of your car missing(not just a stereo).
Then it takes SIX weeks to get a new part.
Or come out and find all your tires and wheels missing,or the dash laying
on the seat.
> That’s because they go off so frequently you don’t even think about
> it. If I heard a car alarm go off I wouldn’t even bother to
> investigate unless it was bothering me (like if I was trying to
> sleep). Car alarms are a daily occurence. If you are in a shopping
> center buying grocery at Safeway and someone forgets to disable the
> alarm on their car and they activate it by opening the door will you
> even think twice about hearing the alarm go off? No you won’t.
Ah,return of the JLEDI.
I haven’t heard any alarms going off today,none yesterday,either.
I always get up and look,it saved MY car last April 20,at 3AM. I went out
ARMED,and came VERY close to shooting the driver in the thieves Honda.
They were after my Integra,after trying to steal a 2000 Civic around the
corner(no alarm).They destroyed his steering column,took his stereo.I
discovered HIS car later that same day,TWO calls to the police,two useless
reports.In the next week,two of my neighbors had their motorcycles
stolen,one I witnessed my self -at 11AM,broad daylight,the owner was at
home,a few yards away;another useless police call and report.
If some of you are willing to allow thefts/burglary of your property,fine
with me,but don’t expect ME to do so.
The police aren’t protecting our property,so I’ll do it myself.
–
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
In article <p794v2hq4nf3e78hbaon6c9r9fgp3jv…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here’s a video for all you morons who still think your car alarm is
> anything more than noise pollution.
> http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/fv.htm??g=5bee1ae6-e9c4-414b-8df0-08eb2a…
> 06/64
> Here’s a guy who breaks into multiple cars in broad daylight. Not only
> does nobody call the police, but one guy even loans the thief a hammer
> to help break into one of the cars!! Alarms go off, people look, but
> NOBODY DOES JACK SHIT to stop the thefts.
I figure that this is something auto insurance providers know a lot
about and mine gives a discount to anyone who have an auto alarm. I know
from my own experience, until I had an alarm in my car, it would be
broken into an average of about once a year. This happened to my car ten
years in a row where I work (in a bad neighborhood).
My current car has an alarm. Even though I park my in the same area as
my previous car, not once has it been broken into in the 8 years I have
owned it, not once.
For me, the results speak for themselves. YMMV.
In article <gvOdnb2vRqQQym_YnZ2dnUVZ_q6vn…@comcast.com>,
"Fred G. Mackey" <nos…@dont.spam> wrote:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
> Brent P wrote:
> > In article <JLadnbofS_gS1m_YnZ2dnUVZ_umln…@comcast.com>, Fred G. Mackey
> > wrote:
> >>I know first-hand that this is the case. I’ve run outside upon hearing
> >>my car alarm going off and saw the thieves running.
> >>Car alarms are cheap and they work.
> > I used to live near the ‘L’ in chicago. The ‘L’ set the alarms off all the
> > time. Nobody paid any attention to the car alarms going off. The owners
> > were
> > seemingly never around to ‘come out’ either.
> 1: Is that representative of all places where people have car alarms?
> 2: You state that you used to live there – I’m well aware of the fact
> that car alarms falsely alerting used to be a plague – 10-15 years ago,
> but they have advanced since then.
> > In apartment complexes I’ve lived in, they just irritated people and again
> > nobody did anything when hearing them. Owners didn’t come out to quiet them
> > either.
> Again, that used to be the case 10-15 years ago. It simply isn’t so
> anymore.
I agree. I live in a large apartment complex. I hear a car alarm, maybe
on the average of once or twice a year. That’s it.
I also work in an urban area in a neighborhood where car thefts are
common. In fact, the guy who has the office across the hall from me
found that his car was stolen last month. He discovered this when he
went to look for his car after work. He had no alarm in his car. I park
my car there almost every day and its never been touched. I rarely hear
car alarms at work, but years ago, it used to be a daily occurrence.
In article <ngt5v25pja2f9rg2tk3ieu3k6ond1t3…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You clearly did not watch the video in the link I posted. The first
> one shows lots of people seeing the "thief" breaking into the car, but
> they don’t do anything about it. If you keep watching, there is a
> second video where the same guy breaks into some houses. The "burglar"
> is approached by neighbors, but their suspicions are easily allayed
> and they ultimately do NOTHING.
> WAKE UP FROM YOUR DENIAL! YOUR ALARM IS NOT PROTECTING YOU!!
Wake up from YOUR denial. Anyone who is intent actually stealing a car,
not just making a show for a video camera, isn’t going to wait around
and work on a car with its alarm going off when there are tons of cars
that will be silent.
The video clip you pointed out is unrealistic because the guy who was
smashing the car windows knew he would not be arrested, so he had no
fear in him.
Talk to any cop and ask them if they believe a car alarm is effective at
deterring auto theft.
As I said before, I park almost every day at work in an area where the
car theft rate is high. In my previous car, which I had for ten years, I
had no alarm. It was broken into an average of once a year for each of
the ten years I had it. The car I have now has not been touched, and it
has an alarm. YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
In article <i5b8v25sv3n57te47gecfpngsf060j5…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
> Shawn Hirn <s…@comcast.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
> >In article <ngt5v25pja2f9rg2tk3ieu3k6ond1t3…@4ax.com>,
> > Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> You clearly did not watch the video in the link I posted. The first
> >> one shows lots of people seeing the "thief" breaking into the car, but
> >> they don’t do anything about it. If you keep watching, there is a
> >> second video where the same guy breaks into some houses. The "burglar"
> >> is approached by neighbors, but their suspicions are easily allayed
> >> and they ultimately do NOTHING.
> >> WAKE UP FROM YOUR DENIAL! YOUR ALARM IS NOT PROTECTING YOU!!
> >Wake up from YOUR denial. Anyone who is intent actually stealing a car,
> >not just making a show for a video camera, isn’t going to wait around
> >and work on a car with its alarm going off when there are tons of cars
> >that will be silent.
> LOL!!! So you believe bystanders will have less apathy when there are
> no hidden TV cameras around to record the theft?
Bottom line is simple: without alarm, my car had ten break-ins. With
alarm, zero breakins. Same neighborhood and same make of car. A
colleague of mine had his car stolen from the same area where I park my
car two weeks ago. His car had no alarm.
That’s all the proof I need.
In article <bcb8v29pigqsb9pck154kkvfmkmuql4…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
> Shawn Hirn <s…@comcast.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
> >I also work in an urban area in a neighborhood where car thefts are
> >common. In fact, the guy who has the office across the hall from me
> >found that his car was stolen last month. He discovered this when he
> >went to look for his car after work. He had no alarm in his car. I park
> >my car there almost every day and its never been touched.
> See? This is the placebo effect I was talking about earlier. You think
> that the ONLY reason your car was not touched is because it had an
> alarm. It never occurs to you that your car might not be a popular
> model among car thieves, or that a cop might have been cruising by on
> the day a thief was about to take your car, or any one of a million
> other possibilities. Oh, no – it MUST have been the alarm!
> Unless you have a time machine, and can replay history (once WITH an
> alarm in your car, and once WITHOUT), you cannot know FOR SURE whether
> your car would have been stolen if you didn’t have an alarm in it.
Both my old car and new car are Chryslers. Neither was broken into to
steel the car; they were broken into to steel the radio and the contents
of the trunk. Like I said, no break-ins with alarm, ten without the
alarm.
In article <g4c8v29893jv0vse0g4h2qn36c3ri2j…@4ax.com>,
Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
> Shawn Hirn <s…@comcast.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
> >In article <p794v2hq4nf3e78hbaon6c9r9fgp3jv…@4ax.com>,
> > Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Here’s a video for all you morons who still think your car alarm is
> >> anything more than noise pollution.
> >> http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/fv.htm??g=5bee1ae6-e9c4-414b-8df0-08eb2a…
> >> &f=
> >> 06/64
> >> Here’s a guy who breaks into multiple cars in broad daylight. Not only
> >> does nobody call the police, but one guy even loans the thief a hammer
> >> to help break into one of the cars!! Alarms go off, people look, but
> >> NOBODY DOES JACK SHIT to stop the thefts.
> >I figure that this is something auto insurance providers know a lot
> >about and mine gives a discount to anyone who have an auto alarm.
> Who is your provider? What state do you live in? Are they REQUIRED to
> do it by law?
Right now, its GEICO. For several years, I had State Farm and Travelers.
Car is registered in NJ, but spends a lot of time in PA (when I am at
work).
"Shawn Hirn" <s…@comcast.net> wrote
> Right now, its GEICO.
Two things:
One, I wouldn’t buy insurance from Geico because of their stupid ads.
Two, you cannot protect yourself from a professional car thief. If he wants
your car, it’s gone.
Alarm or no.
Steve
I was at a boat launch north of Dallas one day. Some bonehead had left his
tricked out TransAm on the loading ramp, and locked it up.
A tow truck came and fetched it up.
As they drove off, the car kept saying, "WARNING! STAND BACK! PROTECTED BY
VIPER!" until it got out of sight.
Too funny.
Steve