http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
"The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
(snip)
——————————————–
That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
it – then no charges.
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> (snip)
> ——————————————–
> That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> it – then no charges.
What’s this fascination you have with running over children and hanging
out in bath houses?
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> (snip)
> ——————————————–
> That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> it – then no charges.
Running someone over isn’t a traffic infraction.
–
"It’s a good thing to be merciless, it comes in useful when dealing with
the young."
"Believe it or not, you can be as rude as you like, I don’t take it
personally."
"That’s another good way of taking the fun out of teaching."
-+"Butley", Alan Bates, Simon Gray, Harold Pinter
In article <1137036509.275450.33…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> (snip)
> ——————————————–
> That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> it – then no charges.
Hmmmm…
Maybe there are no charges because he did nothing wrong.
–
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you’ll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
>> "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
>> observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
>> Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
good one, I’ll have to remember that, so if you cause an accident, no
problem, as long
as a pig doesn’t see you do it.
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Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1137036509.275450.33…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> > Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> > LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> > connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> > Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> > "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> > observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> > Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> > (snip)
> > ——————————————–
> > That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> > kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> > it – then no charges.
> Hmmmm…
> Maybe there are no charges because he did nothing wrong.
Driving a motorcycle without the proper license is against the law.
But he is a repuglican, so it is ok
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"bessiejunejoadNOS…@yahoo.com" wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <1137036509.275450.33…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> > > Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> > > LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> > > connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> > > Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> > > "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> > > observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> > > Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> > > (snip)
> > > ——————————————–
> > > That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> > > kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> > > it – then no charges.
> > Hmmmm…
> > Maybe there are no charges because he did nothing wrong.
> Driving a motorcycle without the proper license is against the law.
> But he is a repuglican, so it is ok
It is a traffic infraction, if true. Of course he had the right driving
licence from Europe and he has one of the right ones from California. If
he didn’t understand some redundant rule requiring two driving licences
to drive a motorcycle, I don’t think that’s a crime.
–
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
In article <1137085407.105270.306…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
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"bessiejunejoadNOS…@yahoo.com" <bessiejunej…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <1137036509.275450.33…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> > > Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> > > LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> > > connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> > > Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> > > "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> > > observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> > > Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> > > (snip)
> > > ——————————————–
> > > That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> > > kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> > > it – then no charges.
> > Hmmmm…
> > Maybe there are no charges because he did nothing wrong.
> Driving a motorcycle without the proper license is against the law.
> But he is a repuglican, so it is ok
He had the proper license for a three-wheeler, that’s already been
established.
–
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you’ll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker wrote:
> He had the proper license for a three-wheeler, that’s already been
> established.
> —–
By whom…?
12500 (b) A person may not drive a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or
motorized bicycle upon a highway, unless the person then holds a valid
driver’s license or endorsement issued under this code for that class,
except those persons who are expressly exempted under this code, or
those persons specifically authorized to operate motorized bicycles or
motorized scooters with a valid driver’s license of any class, as
specified in subdivision (g) of Section 12804.9.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d06/vc12500.htm
400. (a) A "motorcycle" is any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle
for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three
wheels in contact with the ground, and weighing less than 1,500 pounds.
(d) A farm tractor is not a motorcycle. (had to leave that in)
(e) A three-wheeled motor vehicle that otherwise meets the requirements
of subdivision (a), has a partially or completely enclosed seating area
for the driver and passenger, is used by local public agencies for the
enforcement of parking control provisions, and is operated at slow
speeds on public streets, is not a motorcycle. However, a motor vehicle
described in this subdivision shall comply with the applicable sections
of this code imposing equipment installation requirements on
motorcycles.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc400.htm
This is a simple integrity question for me… for the Governator, the
LAPD and the LA DA’s office. Arnie’s behaviors set poor examples for
his constituency, the public in general (world-wide) and his children.
I’m particularly unimpressed with his parenting skills.
—–
- gpsman
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gpsman wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > He had the proper license for a three-wheeler, that’s already been
> > established.
> > —–
> By whom…?
> 12500 (b) A person may not drive a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or
> motorized bicycle upon a highway, unless the person then holds a valid
> driver’s license or endorsement issued under this code for that class,
> except those persons who are expressly exempted under this code, or
> those persons specifically authorized to operate motorized bicycles or
> motorized scooters with a valid driver’s license of any class, as
> specified in subdivision (g) of Section 12804.9.
How are you suppose to practise for the test if you can’t ride the bike?
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> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d06/vc12500.htm
> 400. (a) A "motorcycle" is any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle
> for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three
> wheels in contact with the ground, and weighing less than 1,500 pounds.
> (d) A farm tractor is not a motorcycle. (had to leave that in)
> (e) A three-wheeled motor vehicle that otherwise meets the requirements
> of subdivision (a), has a partially or completely enclosed seating area
> for the driver and passenger, is used by local public agencies for the
> enforcement of parking control provisions, and is operated at slow
> speeds on public streets, is not a motorcycle. However, a motor vehicle
> described in this subdivision shall comply with the applicable sections
> of this code imposing equipment installation requirements on
> motorcycles.
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc400.htm
> This is a simple integrity question for me… for the Governator, the
> LAPD and the LA DA’s office. Arnie’s behaviors set poor examples for
> his constituency, the public in general (world-wide) and his children.
> I’m particularly unimpressed with his parenting skills.
He had the right endorsements. If something expired, it isn’t like he
necessarily gets notified.
–
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
"Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
news:43C6D82C.F30670FB@Il.Postino.it:
> How are you suppose to practise for the test if you can’t ride the bike?
You get a learner’s permit, easy to get in CA, Bozo.
–
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader seeking
to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a President for the
first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of our basest and most
irrational fears.
>That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
>kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
>it – then no charges.
No, it is not a pack of lies. This is standard for all the states I’m
familiar with. An officer has to see an infraction to be able to issue
a citation.
Try this. Call the cops and tell them you observed your neighbor going
45 miles an hour in a 30 miles an hour zone and you want them to issue
a citation based on your observation…..Let me know how long they
laugh.
Hell, you can even videotape it happening. They still will not issue a
citation.
In your stupid ass example, there would have to be some type of
evidence before charges could be filed. Blood on the hood would
suffice. BUT, if there were no physical evidence, no marks, no blood,
nothing at all, then they will not take the citizens word for it. They
will investigate, but barring evidence, no charges.
Yol Bolsum,
Grendel.
"Never underestimate the stupidity of LBMHBF."
Dave Lister wrote:
> "Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
> news:43C6D82C.F30670FB@Il.Postino.it:
> > How are you suppose to practise for the test if you can’t ride the bike?
> You get a learner’s permit, easy to get in CA, Bozo.
So there’s no problem, you can drive a bike without whatever the other
person said Arnold needed.
–
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
"Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
news:43C6EFEB.B44CFC40@Il.Postino.it:
> Dave Lister wrote:
>> "Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote
>> in news:43C6D82C.F30670FB@Il.Postino.it:
>> > How are you suppose to practise for the test if you can’t ride the
>> > bike?
>> You get a learner’s permit, easy to get in CA, Bozo.
> So there’s no problem, you can drive a bike without whatever the other
> person said Arnold needed.
A license or a valid learner’s permit, both for motorcycles, is required.
–
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader seeking
to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a President for the
first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of our basest and most
irrational fears.
Grendel wrote:
> No, it is not a pack of lies. This is standard for all the states I’m
> familiar with. An officer has to see an infraction to be able to issue
> a citation.
snip>
> Hell, you can even videotape it happening. They still will not issue a
> citation.
So how is it that a red light camera – with no officer present – is
enough to get a citation mailed to you?
Hmmm, seems you CAN get a ticket with no officer witnessing it, as long
as there is photographic proof. And, one would assume, other
incontrovertible proof would serve as well.
Like, say, numerous published accounts of Ahnold riding his motorcycle,
photographs of same, all while he had no license.
Bo Raxo
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’) wrote:
> He had the right endorsements. If something expired, it isn’t like he
> necessarily gets notified.
Take out your driver’s license. Look *very* carefully, and I bet you’ll
find an expiry date. I bet Ahhh-nold’s license had one, too.
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’) wrote:
> > He had the right endorsements. If something expired, it isn’t like he
> > necessarily gets notified.
> Take out your driver’s license. Look *very* carefully, and I bet you’ll
> find an expiry date. I bet Ahhh-nold’s license had one, too.
As I understand it, he had an international driving licence, which did
allow use of motorcycles, and he had a CA licence and one of two
endorsements allowing him to drive a motorcycle with sidecar. So perhaps
the side car endorsement was done because of the international licence
and he didn’t realize that once that expired, he’d have to get something
from CA. This sounds very complicated and not just looking at the
driving licence to see if the date of expiration has gone by.
–
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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Dave Lister wrote:
> "Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
> news:43C6EFEB.B44CFC40@Il.Postino.it:
> > Dave Lister wrote:
> >> "Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’)" <Pablo.Ner…@Il.Postino.it> wrote
> >> in news:43C6D82C.F30670FB@Il.Postino.it:
> >> > How are you suppose to practise for the test if you can’t ride the
> >> > bike?
> >> You get a learner’s permit, easy to get in CA, Bozo.
> > So there’s no problem, you can drive a bike without whatever the other
> > person said Arnold needed.
> A license or a valid learner’s permit, both for motorcycles, is required.
He appears to have a motorcycle with sidecar endorsement but not the CA
motorcycle licence but a regular CA driving licence. It’s got to have
something to do with his international licence because they wouldn’t
give him the sidecar endorsement if he wasn’t already legal for
motorcycles, would they?
–
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
In article <43C708FB.F0682…@Il.Postino.it>, Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’) wrote:
Like every other elected offical, he doesn’t have to worry about the
annoying laws that are passed for the rest of us. But he is a republican,
so it’s just more likely to be pointed out when he does.
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Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1137085407.105270.306…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "bessiejunejoadNOS…@yahoo.com" <bessiejunej…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Alan Baker wrote:
> > > In article <1137036509.275450.33…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10811025/
> > > > Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
> > > > LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be cited in
> > > > connection with his recent motorcycle accident, the Los Angeles Police
> > > > Department and City Attorney’s Office said Wednesday.
> > > > "The LAPD does not issue a motorist a citation unless that person is
> > > > observed by the officer committing a traffic violation," said police
> > > > Officer Jason Lee, a department spokesman.
> > > > (snip)
> > > > ——————————————–
> > > > That’s a pack of lies. So to take an extreme example; if you run over a
> > > > kid and a citizen sees you do it and turns you in but no cop saw you do
> > > > it – then no charges.
> > > Hmmmm…
> > > Maybe there are no charges because he did nothing wrong.
> > Driving a motorcycle without the proper license is against the law.
> > But he is a repuglican, so it is ok
> He had the proper license for a three-wheeler, that’s already been
> established.
> —
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you’ll still only get the full stereophonic effect
> if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yep, not only in this thread but also in others
Quote from the article in the OP
The law requires an M1 license for drivers of two-wheel vehicles.
Immediately after Sunday’s accident, Department of Motor Vehicles
officials said the governor was unlikely to be cited since the sidecar
made the motorcycle a three-wheel vehicle.
Unquote.
I have seen the same thing stated in other actual news reports in the
media as opposed to spin twists in these forums.
Harry K
>So how is it that a red light camera – with no officer present – is
>enough to get a citation mailed to you?
Actually, some states (such as mine) do not allow these red light
camera’s for the very reason that 1) no officer actually witnessed
the infraction, 2) the camera does not show who is actually driving the
vehicle and 3) in our state at least, they are not allowed to issue
traffic citations through the mail.
If your state allows these type cameras, it is just a money making
gimmick. But, the probably rationalize it by the fact that the cameras
used are ‘official police’ camera. YOU could take a picture with
your Nikon, and no citations would be issues.
>Hmmm, seems you CAN get a ticket with no officer witnessing it, as long
>as there is photographic proof.
In some states you can, and I disagree with it. In the state in which
I live, you can neither get a ticket based on a photo nor get a ticket
through the mail.
>And, one would assume, other
>incontrovertible proof would serve as well.
Incontrovertible proof is always allowed. Victim’s blood on a
speeders hood is always proof (and you won’t get just a minor
citation, either).
But, going back to the original case: A law enforcement officer may
not issue a traffic citation for a violation that he did not witness.
Another officer witnessing does not suffice. And while some states may
argue that an official law enforcement camera (i.e. red light camera)
is considered ‘witnessing a violation’, a typical ‘Joe Blow’
taking a picture with his handy Moterola will not result in a traffic
citation. In a felony case, though, images can be used as evidence, I
believe (service station video, for example).
Simply stated. A law enforcement officer must observe a violation to
be able to issue a citation.
LBMHBF can’t seem to grasp this. Just as she can’t seem to grasp
anything resembling reality.
Yol Bolsum,
Grendel.
"Timing has everything to do with the success of a raindance."
Grendel wrote: <brevity snip>
> But, going back to the original case: A law enforcement officer may
> not issue a traffic citation for a violation that he did not witness.
> Another officer witnessing does not suffice.
Uh… think "bear in the air". They don’t pull people over with an
aircraft.
> Simply stated. A law enforcement officer must observe a violation to
> be able to issue a citation.
I was involved in an event where CHP arrived on the scene, issued a
citation and arrested the offender well over an hour after the incident
(DUI) took place. I was the court’s witness. The accused received 18
months.
—–
- gpsman
>Uh… think "bear in the air". They don’t pull people over with an
>aircraft.
Truthfully, didn’t think of that. But, that is a system set up of
two or more officers working in conjunction, and there has to be some
way of recording the violation. Usually with bear in the air it’s a
timer/speed box the bear has in the chopper that times a vehicle
between marked points on a highway.
>I was involved in an event where CHP arrived on the scene, issued a
>citation and arrested the offender well over an hour after the incident
>(DUI) took place. I was the court’s witness. The accused received 18
>months.
Good for you. There are way to many citizens who would not go through
the trouble of testifying. Good civic duty. I’m betting that the
drunk was probably STILL shiftaced when the officer got there. If he
admitted to being behind the wheel, that, and being presently
shiftaced, is more than enough observation for the officer. Plus, DUI
is not a misdemeanor.
Hell, we have a case in town where the local school board president was
captured on camera: Driving the wrong way down a one way street,
running over the foot of an eight year old girl, getting out of the SUV
to hand the girl back to her parent (thus proving to the camera that HE
was driving), and leaving the scene of said accident. An hour later
police went to interview him at home and it was determined he was
legally drunk although he refused a breathalyzer test.
Was he arrested? No. Was he asked to step down from his position? No.
Did he even loose his license for the proscribed 90 days for refusal
of a breathalyzer? Yes, but it was reinstated in less than a month by
his cousin, the Judge. His contention is that 1) Wasn’t’ HIS fault
he was going the wrong way and hit the girl & 2) he got drunk in the
hour between the accident and when the cops showed up and NOT at the
Mardi Gras celebration he had attended and 3) This entire situation
was caused by the racist attitudes of everyone but him (he’s black,
of course).
The case is STILL (1 year later) still winding it’s way through the
courts and he still hasn’t been charged with anything. Although it
was found that he had once been found passed out drunk in the middle of
the road behind the wheel, and strangely his records had been expunged
(couldn’t have had anything to do with his cousin being the sitting
judge).
Anyway, that’s a tangent I didn’t intend to go off on.
Again, stated, for minor traffic violations, an officer must witness
it. I’m not saying that this is never abused, but that’s the
general rule.
I’ve been caught driving with an expired license (forgot to renew).
I was caught and didn’t get dragged before the court and put in front
of the cameras. Didn’t even get a ticket, just a "Please get it renewed
as soon as possible, Mr. Grendel. Have a nice day!" Why? Not that big
a deal. Just as the Governator driving a motorcycle with an improper
license is not that big a deal. He’ll correct it then everything
will be okay. LBMHBF is just rabid.
Yol Bolsum,
Grendel.
"Timing has everything to do with the success of a raindance."
Bill Bonde (‘Soli Deo Gloria’) wrote:
> As I understand it, he had an international driving licence, which did
> allow use of motorcycles, and he had a CA licence and one of two
> endorsements allowing him to drive a motorcycle with sidecar. So perhaps
> the side car endorsement was done because of the international licence
> and he didn’t realize that once that expired, he’d have to get something
> from CA.
—–
Arnold is a citizen and resident of the US. An IDL is not valid in CA
for a CA resident. My Montana license becomes invalid in CA within x
days (probably 90) of my relocation.
Arnold lacks the required motorcycle endorsement. According to CA law:
400. (a) A "motorcycle" is any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle
for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three
wheels in contact with the ground, and weighing less than 1,500 pounds.
The key word and phrase in this code are "designed"… and… "not more
than three wheels". The definition of "not more than three wheels" …
is three wheels or less.
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- gpsman
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gpsman wrote:
> Grendel wrote: <brevity snip>
> > But, going back to the original case: A law enforcement officer may
> > not issue a traffic citation for a violation that he did not witness.
> > Another officer witnessing does not suffice.
> Uh… think "bear in the air". They don’t pull people over with an
> aircraft.
> > Simply stated. A law enforcement officer must observe a violation to
> > be able to issue a citation.
> I was involved in an event where CHP arrived on the scene, issued a
> citation and arrested the offender well over an hour after the incident
> (DUI) took place. I was the court’s witness. The accused received 18
> months.
Drunk driving isn’t a minor traffic infraction.
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"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing ‘James’ on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him ‘James’, that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"