Had to go out early and get a couple of items. I pass 5 different traffic
lights. I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
One only held yellow for 2 seconds. Is this the way the red light cameras
are timed? This intersection has had quite a few accidents and cameras are
being discussed by the city council.
payday loan store . Easy cash loans, no teletrack payday loans no faxing. .
"Thomas Avery" <phoen…@shores.net> wrote in message
> ….I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds. One
> only held yellow for 2 seconds.
Can’t fathom why some lights are set that way. A large intrsection I very
often go through has a 3 second yellow separating a 20 second green and a 35
second red. I’ve been nicked there. I and everyone I know who has been
ticketed there have gotten the citation dismissed by using the short yellow
argument, but the sequence never changes.
In article <43525d2a$…@alt.athenanews.com>,
Thomas Avery <phoen…@shores.net> wrote:
>Had to go out early and get a couple of items. I pass 5 different traffic
>lights. I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
>One only held yellow for 2 seconds. Is this the way the red light cameras
>are timed? This intersection has had quite a few accidents and cameras are
>being discussed by the city council.
When they put the camera in on that intersection first, you’ll know
for sure. It’s all about revenue.
–
There’s no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
John Gaquin wrote:
> "Thomas Avery" <phoen…@shores.net> wrote in message
> > ….I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds. One
> > only held yellow for 2 seconds.
> Can’t fathom why some lights are set that way. A large intrsection I very
> often go through has a 3 second yellow separating a 20 second green and a 35
> second red. I’ve been nicked there. I and everyone I know who has been
> ticketed there have gotten the citation dismissed by using the short yellow
> argument, but the sequence never changes.
Has anyone gone to the traffic dept instead of the court, and asked why
it hasn’t been fixed? I got the city of San Diego to correct two
timing issues last week just by asking the right person, so it might
not hurt to try.
Dave
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:24:43 -0400, "John Gaquin"
<john.gaq…@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Thomas Avery" <phoen…@shores.net> wrote in message
>> ….I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds. One
>> only held yellow for 2 seconds.
>Can’t fathom why some lights are set that way. A large intrsection I very
>often go through has a 3 second yellow separating a 20 second green and a 35
>second red. I’ve been nicked there. I and everyone I know who has been
>ticketed there have gotten the citation dismissed by using the short yellow
>argument, but the sequence never changes.
Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
"DTJ" <n…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:24:43 -0400, "John Gaquin"
> <john.gaq…@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"Thomas Avery" <phoen…@shores.net> wrote in message
>>> ….I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
>>> One
>>> only held yellow for 2 seconds.
>>Can’t fathom why some lights are set that way. A large intrsection I very
>>often go through has a 3 second yellow separating a 20 second green and a
>>35
>>second red. I’ve been nicked there. I and everyone I know who has been
>>ticketed there have gotten the citation dismissed by using the short
>>yellow
>>argument, but the sequence never changes.
> Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
> you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
50. Two second light in 45 zone.
Thomas Avery wrote:
> Had to go out early and get a couple of items. I pass 5 different traffic
> lights. I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
> One only held yellow for 2 seconds. Is this the way the red light cameras
> are timed? This intersection has had quite a few accidents and cameras are
> being discussed by the city council.
What is the speed limit on this road? What is the average speed of
traffic? (WAG is OK) please post back… we may be able to give you
some ammo to force the authorities to correct the light timing before
they put up the cameras. I an guessing that all these lights are on the
same road? Likely the short yellow is the *CAUSE* of all the accidents
and when they fix that the rate of accidents will drop to that of an
average intersection. Far better to fix the problem than to make it
worse by adding a camera into the mix…
nate
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Thomas Avery wrote:
> "DTJ" <n…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:p585l19v0os6a7k611sclqbublcl0fc7ve@4ax.com…
>>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:24:43 -0400, "John Gaquin"
>><john.gaq…@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>"Thomas Avery" <phoen…@shores.net> wrote in message
>>>>….I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
>>>>One
>>>>only held yellow for 2 seconds.
>>>Can’t fathom why some lights are set that way. A large intrsection I very
>>>often go through has a 3 second yellow separating a 20 second green and a
>>>35
>>>second red. I’ve been nicked there. I and everyone I know who has been
>>>ticketed there have gotten the citation dismissed by using the short
>>>yellow
>>>argument, but the sequence never changes.
>>Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
>>you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
> Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
> 50. Two second light in 45 zone.
Sorry, I should have read down farther before my last post. Is it too
late to make a statement before the city council or whatever? This is
definitely a problem that needs to be rectified. In California, for
instance, the yellow is legally required to be a minimum of 4.3 seconds
for a 45 MPH speed limit. Two seconds is unacceptable and likely
illegal. Where are you? (state? jurisdiction?)
nate
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:18:22 -0500, "Thomas Avery"
<phoen…@shores.net> wrote:
>> Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
>> you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
>Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
>50. Two second light in 45 zone.
Seems wrong. I have never timed them, but I think one second per
10MPH is normal.
DTJ wrote:
> <phoen…@shores.net> wrote:
> >> Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
> >> you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
> >Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
> >50. Two second light in 45 zone.
> Seems wrong. I have never timed them, but I think one second per
> 10MPH is normal.
Just for interest — the intersection up the street, in the absence of auto
traffic to trip the sensor, has a shorter green light than yellow light. I
can’t even get halfway across the street on my bicycle before it turns red.
Carry on…
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Cheers, Bev
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:22:39 -0500, DTJ <n…@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:18:22 -0500, "Thomas Avery"
><phoen…@shores.net> wrote:
>>> Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
>>> you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
>>Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
>>50. Two second light in 45 zone.
>Seems wrong. I have never timed them, but I think one second per
>10MPH is normal.
And your scientific basis for this statement is?
In article <43525d2a$…@alt.athenanews.com>, phoen…@shores.net says…
>Had to go out early and get a couple of items. I pass 5 different traffic
>lights. I timed the yellow on all 5. Four ran between 3-3/4 and 4 seconds.
>One only held yellow for 2 seconds. Is this the way the red light cameras
>are timed? This intersection has had quite a few accidents and cameras are
>being discussed by the city council.
Complain to your local DOT. The 2 sec yellow light is a serious hazzard.
You can be sure that that ridiculously short yellow light is contributing to
the accidents at the intersection.
—————–
Alex
In article <4352a7be$…@alt.athenanews.com>, phoen…@shores.net says…
>Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
>50. Two second light in 45 zone.
That light is defective. Quickly try to get it fixed. A 45mph zone should
have at least a 4 second yellow.
————–
Alex
In article <kagcl1dn23rocofhh40dm5cjs1d0335…@4ax.com>, jackho…@nospam.com
says…
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>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:22:39 -0500, DTJ <n…@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:18:22 -0500, "Thomas Avery"
>><phoen…@shores.net> wrote:
>>>> Yellow lights are timed based on the speed of the street. Obviously
>>>> you need a longer yellow at 65 than at 20.
>>>Two of the 3-3/4 to 4 second lights in 35 MPH zone, one in 45, and one in
>>>50. Two second light in 45 zone.
>>Seems wrong. I have never timed them, but I think one second per
>>10MPH is normal.
>Yellow lights are always too short. They could save a lot of lives if
>they made all yellow lights stay on for one full minute.
Try reading the MUTCD. It might give you a clue.
———–
Alex
laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
it, you red-bag pussy.
The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade wrote:
> laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
> > People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
> > americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
> So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
> foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
> it, you red-bag pussy.
What makes you think they worked for it? Most rich people are born to
wealth like your god bush. He’s got millions but has never had a real
job in his life.
"The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade"
<the_blade@the_mouth_of_Laura_Bush_Murdered_Her_Boyfriend.cum> wrote in
message news:MPG.1dbcf16a32e699429896bf@newsgroups.bellsouth.net…
> laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
>> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
>> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
> So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
> foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
> it, you red-bag pussy.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/car-guide-2004/madden1.asp
John Madden: America’s biggest commuter
By Paul Bannister . Bankrate.com
Sportscaster John Madden has not boarded a plane since 1979, but
crisscrosses the nation weekly during the football season covering "NFL
Monday Night Football" for ABC-TV.
His transport isn’t Amtrak or Greyhound. It’s the ultimate SUV — an
$800,000, 45-foot luxury coach fitted with everything from sauna to gourmet
galley.
Madden, 67, works, sleeps and eats as he covers 80,000 miles annually —
almost all of it between September and January — across America’s
interstate highways.
Here’s a peek at the highway lifestyle of America’s best-known "road
warrior."
The Madden Cruiser rolls out of the commentator’s upscale, gated Blackhawk
development near Oakland for a routine, 53-hour transcontinental trek to New
York for a Monday Night Football assignment.
"Turn off your mind for 50 hours," says Madden, comfortable in golf shirt
and sweat pants.
He’s a high-temperature guy who has the best winning record of any football
coach from his days with the Oakland Raiders. He once patrolled the
sidelines of wintry Soldier Field, Chicago in his shirtsleeves, so it’s no
surprise that he sets the cabin’s climate control at a chilly 60 degrees.
The three flat-screen plasma televisions are tracking different stations by
satellite and an ABC staffer is working at a laptop computer that’s
up-linked to Madden’s Goal Line Productions office back in Pleasanton,
Calif.
The Cruiser is a rolling command post, with high-speed Internet access,
multiple TVs, a navigation system, cell phones and a fax all in satellite
contact with the outside world.
"We don’t stop any more to set up a satellite dish or make a phone call,"
says agent Sandy Montag. "We don’t need to. We keep rolling. It used to be
that we didn’t use the satellite very much because we had to stop to set it
up.
"We don’t like to stop, and we have rules. We don’t wait for anyone, we go
1,000 miles on a tank of diesel and we finish any bottle of water we start."
Sockless, despite the on-board chill, Madden takes a slug of his 48-ounce
water bottle.
"I used to get on the airplane, then I’d get off the airplane. I’d go to the
hotel and the stadium, then back to the airplane. I traveled all over, but I
didn’t see anything. Now, I do," he says in that familiar, confiding voice.
It was back in 1979 that the poster child for the claustrophobic,
fear-of-flying set had what he described as "a full-blown panic attack" when
about to fly out of Tampa.
"It wasn’t about flying, bad turbulence or anything. The flight attendant
closed the door and before we’d even moved I knew I had to get off the
plane, but I gutted it out. You think you’re going to die. I was sweating,
shaking, the whole thing.
"It was about being encased and not being able to get out."
Madden landed, turned in his frequent flier card, and grounded himself
forever.
First, he tried Amtrak, but when trains didn’t go where he wanted, he hired
a motor coach. Soon, he traded promotional appearances for a custom
Greyhound and boarded the first Madden Cruiser.
Today, he’s on his fourth, an E4500 Entertainer made by Motor Coach
Industries of Schaumburg, Ill., and complete with bedroom (the queen-sized
air mattress is set at ‘firm’), guest bunks and polished granite-topped
galley with a double oven, electric stove and side-by-side fridge.
A generator big enough to power a 5,000-square-foot house powers it all.
There’s also a high-tech office, two bathrooms and an extra- large steam
shower and sauna — everything finished in rosewood and glove leather.
The luxury-suite-on-wheels comes courtesy of a promotional agreement with
Outback Steakhouse, and Madden makes a point of visiting as many of the
1,000 U.S. outlets as he can during his odysseys. After nine years with the
company, he guesses he’s half way through the list.
But he still loves the greasy-spoon diners, back-road barbecue cafes and
home-cooking food joints he finds on America’s highways.
"I like to go into small towns and find a new place. In Mississippi, I’ve
got a seafood place I go to," he says. "In Van Horn, Texas, it’s Chuy’s. We
always call ahead and Mama Chuy makes a chicken dish with beans and rice,
and she makes her own tortillas.
"In California, in Los Banos on Interstate Highway 5, our first stop is the
Woolgrowers, a Basque restaurant. In Georgia, there’s a place called The
Georgia Pig, that’s just barbecue."
Madden wanders back to his office, scans the TV screens and starts reading
sports reports, readying for his work at the Giants’ game.
Madden’s longtime drivers, Willie Yarbrough and Joe Mitchell, are always at
the controls of the Cruiser. It’s 13 feet high, weighs 45,000 pounds, has a
200-gallon fuel tank and gets about six miles per gallon.
Operating costs aren’t discussed, but industry insiders say a luxury coach
like this rents for $450 a day plus fuel, maintenance, insurance and driver
salaries. A few other odds and ends help push the cost well over a dollar a
mile, or say $4,000 for a one-way, cross-country trip.
That’s small change for Madden, who’s reputed to make about $40 million a
year from his broadcasting, video games and Ace Hardware and Outback
Steakhouse endorsements.
"If it’s a short trip, say from New York to Philadelphia, the bus is full, a
rolling party," says Montag. "But when it’s all the way across country, New
York to San Francisco, there’s usually about three people aboard."
A rolling command post has its virtues, as well as being a people mover,
Montag says.
"In San Diego the other week, the NFL announced at 7 p.m. on Sunday that the
San Diego-Miami game would be moved to Arizona because of wildfires in
California. By 7.30 p.m., John was on the Cruiser headed for Tempe.
"They arrived at 3.30 a.m., Monday and a few hours later were ready to
broadcast!"
Back on Sept. 11 when the World Trade Center towers were attacked, Madden
was in New York, where he has an apartment. The football game was canceled
and he readied himself for a trip back to California.
His management group called to say that flight cancellations had left ice
queen Peggy Fleming stranded in Pennsylvania and could John give her a ride
back to her Los Gatos, Calif., home?
Big John collected the Olympic legend and as they drove through Nebraska,
they stopped at a small store near Omaha to buy American flags for the bus.
"The guy couldn’t believe that Peggy Fleming and John Madden had just walked
in. He begged: ‘As you leave town, drive by the store and honk at me!’"
As the Cruiser rolls east across the Sierra Nevada on Interstate Highway 80,
Madden retreats to his bedroom for a nap. Even the queen-sized bed is
special; it has an air mattress from Select Comfort that the manufacturer
scrambled to fit.
"John heard about the air mattress, tried it and liked it," says Chuck
Dorsey, president of the Minneapolis sleep company.
"The problem was coordinating its installation in the Cruiser, as it’s on
the road all the time."
A crew contacted the bus somewhere in Wyoming and when Madden arrived for
playoffs in the Twin Cities, workers took out the innerspring and installed
the new air bed while the game went on.
Dawn comes up as the Cruiser passes the Black Hills, and Madden is on the
intercom, asking the driver, "Where are we?"
Truckers on the interstate recognize the red-and-yellow rig and radio in to
ask driver Yarbrough where Madden’s headed, what game he’s doing.
By midafternoon, already through the Rockies with sightings of antelope,
wild horses and prairie dogs, there’s a stop for fuel. The bus is in
Nebraska, roughly half way, and Madden takes a 15-minute walk.
He doesn’t seek it, but he is quickly recognized as "The Football Guy"’ or
"The Ace Hardware Guy." Sometimes, people give him pies or fried chicken.
Mostly, they greet him and say how they enjoy listening to his commentaries.
He’s friendly, outgoing, approachable, but he’s soon back on the bus.
There’s no exercise equipment on the Cruiser. Madden considered putting a
treadmill on board, but it was too big.
"For me, it has to be industrial size," he sighs.
The drivers grab several local newspapers. Madden, after a steam shower and
sauna, downloads other reports from the Internet and starts to do homework
as the bus rolls through thickening traffic south of Chicago.
"I’m not a journalist, I’m not an actor. I’m a football coach doing
television," he says. "It’s fun. It’s my life, my passion. I’ll do it as
long as I can."
Madden’s driver stays far south of Lake Michigan and skirts I-80 — a
standing order, as the highway invariably seems to have construction delays.
Then, it’s through the fall foliage of Indiana and Pennsylvania.
Madden, lolling in the front seat with his feet on the windshield, nods at
the colors.
"People pay money to see scenes like this," he says. "You only get to see
America driving through places like Nebraska for eight hours.
"This is seeing our country. I’ve always said a congressman should ride
across country. Not drive, because you can’t see when you drive, you have to
ride. You have to be a witness to America."
It’s Friday afternoon, and the Cruiser is touching down, pulling into
Manhattan. Madden will sleep at his apartment, ready himself for Monday
night’s analysis and
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> "The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade"
> <the_blade@the_mouth_of_Laura_Bush_Murdered_Her_Boyfriend.cum> wrote in
> message news:MPG.1dbcf16a32e699429896bf@newsgroups.bellsouth.net…
>> laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
>>> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
>>> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
>> So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
>> foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
>> it, you red-bag pussy.
> http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/car-guide-2004/madden1.asp
> John Madden: America’s biggest commuter
> By Paul Bannister . Bankrate.com
> Sportscaster John Madden has not boarded a plane since 1979, but
> crisscrosses the nation weekly during the football season covering "NFL
> Monday Night Football" for ABC-TV.
> His transport isn’t Amtrak or Greyhound. It’s the ultimate SUV — an
> $800,000, 45-foot luxury coach fitted with everything from sauna to
> gourmet galley.
> Madden, 67, works, sleeps and eats as he covers 80,000 miles annually —
> almost all of it between September and January — across America’s
> interstate highways.
> Here’s a peek at the highway lifestyle of America’s best-known "road
> warrior."
> The Madden Cruiser rolls out of the commentator’s upscale, gated Blackhawk
> development near Oakland for a routine, 53-hour transcontinental trek to
> New York for a Monday Night Football assignment.
> "Turn off your mind for 50 hours," says Madden, comfortable in golf shirt
> and sweat pants.
> He’s a high-temperature guy who has the best winning record of any
> football coach from his days with the Oakland Raiders. He once patrolled
> the sidelines of wintry Soldier Field, Chicago in his shirtsleeves, so
> it’s no surprise that he sets the cabin’s climate control at a chilly 60
> degrees.
> The three flat-screen plasma televisions are tracking different stations
> by satellite and an ABC staffer is working at a laptop computer that’s
> up-linked to Madden’s Goal Line Productions office back in Pleasanton,
> Calif.
> The Cruiser is a rolling command post, with high-speed Internet access,
> multiple TVs, a navigation system, cell phones and a fax all in satellite
> contact with the outside world.
> "We don’t stop any more to set up a satellite dish or make a phone call,"
> says agent Sandy Montag. "We don’t need to. We keep rolling. It used to be
> that we didn’t use the satellite very much because we had to stop to set
> it up.
> "We don’t like to stop, and we have rules. We don’t wait for anyone, we go
> 1,000 miles on a tank of diesel and we finish any bottle of water we
> start."
> Sockless, despite the on-board chill, Madden takes a slug of his 48-ounce
> water bottle.
> "I used to get on the airplane, then I’d get off the airplane. I’d go to
> the hotel and the stadium, then back to the airplane. I traveled all over,
> but I didn’t see anything. Now, I do," he says in that familiar, confiding
> voice.
> It was back in 1979 that the poster child for the claustrophobic,
> fear-of-flying set had what he described as "a full-blown panic attack"
> when about to fly out of Tampa.
> "It wasn’t about flying, bad turbulence or anything. The flight attendant
> closed the door and before we’d even moved I knew I had to get off the
> plane, but I gutted it out. You think you’re going to die. I was sweating,
> shaking, the whole thing.
> "It was about being encased and not being able to get out."
> Madden landed, turned in his frequent flier card, and grounded himself
> forever.
> First, he tried Amtrak, but when trains didn’t go where he wanted, he
> hired a motor coach. Soon, he traded promotional appearances for a custom
> Greyhound and boarded the first Madden Cruiser.
> Today, he’s on his fourth, an E4500 Entertainer made by Motor Coach
> Industries of Schaumburg, Ill., and complete with bedroom (the queen-sized
> air mattress is set at ‘firm’), guest bunks and polished granite-topped
> galley with a double oven, electric stove and side-by-side fridge.
> A generator big enough to power a 5,000-square-foot house powers it all.
> There’s also a high-tech office, two bathrooms and an extra- large steam
> shower and sauna — everything finished in rosewood and glove leather.
> The luxury-suite-on-wheels comes courtesy of a promotional agreement with
> Outback Steakhouse, and Madden makes a point of visiting as many of the
> 1,000 U.S. outlets as he can during his odysseys. After nine years with
> the company, he guesses he’s half way through the list.
> But he still loves the greasy-spoon diners, back-road barbecue cafes and
> home-cooking food joints he finds on America’s highways.
> "I like to go into small towns and find a new place. In Mississippi, I’ve
> got a seafood place I go to," he says. "In Van Horn, Texas, it’s Chuy’s.
> We always call ahead and Mama Chuy makes a chicken dish with beans and
> rice, and she makes her own tortillas.
> "In California, in Los Banos on Interstate Highway 5, our first stop is
> the Woolgrowers, a Basque restaurant. In Georgia, there’s a place called
> The Georgia Pig, that’s just barbecue."
> Madden wanders back to his office, scans the TV screens and starts reading
> sports reports, readying for his work at the Giants’ game.
> Madden’s longtime drivers, Willie Yarbrough and Joe Mitchell, are always
> at the controls of the Cruiser. It’s 13 feet high, weighs 45,000 pounds,
> has a 200-gallon fuel tank and gets about six miles per gallon.
> Operating costs aren’t discussed, but industry insiders say a luxury coach
> like this rents for $450 a day plus fuel, maintenance, insurance and
> driver salaries. A few other odds and ends help push the cost well over a
> dollar a mile, or say $4,000 for a one-way, cross-country trip.
> That’s small change for Madden, who’s reputed to make about $40 million a
> year from his broadcasting, video games and Ace Hardware and Outback
> Steakhouse endorsements.
> "If it’s a short trip, say from New York to Philadelphia, the bus is full,
> a rolling party," says Montag. "But when it’s all the way across country,
> New York to San Francisco, there’s usually about three people aboard."
> A rolling command post has its virtues, as well as being a people mover,
> Montag says.
> "In San Diego the other week, the NFL announced at 7 p.m. on Sunday that
> the San Diego-Miami game would be moved to Arizona because of wildfires in
> California. By 7.30 p.m., John was on the Cruiser headed for Tempe.
> "They arrived at 3.30 a.m., Monday and a few hours later were ready to
> broadcast!"
> Back on Sept. 11 when the World Trade Center towers were attacked, Madden
> was in New York, where he has an apartment. The football game was canceled
> and he readied himself for a trip back to California.
> His management group called to say that flight cancellations had left ice
> queen Peggy Fleming stranded in Pennsylvania and could John give her a
> ride back to her Los Gatos, Calif., home?
> Big John collected the Olympic legend and as they drove through Nebraska,
> they stopped at a small store near Omaha to buy American flags for the
> bus.
> "The guy couldn’t believe that Peggy Fleming and John Madden had just
> walked in. He begged: ‘As you leave town, drive by the store and honk at
> me!’"
> As the Cruiser rolls east across the Sierra Nevada on Interstate Highway
> 80, Madden retreats to his bedroom for a nap. Even the queen-sized bed is
> special; it has an air mattress from Select Comfort that the manufacturer
> scrambled to fit.
> "John heard about the air mattress, tried it and liked it," says Chuck
> Dorsey, president of the Minneapolis sleep company.
> "The problem was coordinating its installation in the Cruiser, as it’s on
> the road all the time."
> A crew contacted the bus somewhere in Wyoming and when Madden arrived for
> playoffs in the Twin Cities, workers took out the innerspring and
> installed the new air bed while the game went on.
> Dawn comes up as the Cruiser passes the Black Hills, and Madden is on the
> intercom, asking the driver, "Where are we?"
> Truckers on the interstate recognize the red-and-yellow rig and radio in
> to ask driver Yarbrough where Madden’s headed, what game he’s doing.
> By midafternoon, already through the Rockies with sightings of antelope,
> wild horses and prairie dogs, there’s a stop for fuel. The bus is in
> Nebraska, roughly half way, and Madden takes a 15-minute walk.
> He doesn’t seek it, but he is quickly recognized as "The Football Guy"’ or
> "The Ace Hardware Guy." Sometimes, people give him pies or fried chicken.
> Mostly, they greet him and say how they enjoy listening to his
> commentaries. He’s friendly, outgoing, approachable, but he’s soon back on
> the bus.
> There’s no exercise equipment on the Cruiser. Madden considered putting a
> treadmill on board, but it was too big.
> "For me, it has to be industrial size," he sighs.
> The drivers grab several local newspapers. Madden, after a steam shower
> and sauna, downloads other reports from the Internet and starts to do
> homework as the bus rolls through thickening traffic south of Chicago.
> "I’m not a journalist, I’m not an actor. I’m a football coach doing
> television," he says. "It’s fun. It’s my life, my passion. I’ll do it as
> long as I can."
> Madden’s driver stays far south of Lake Michigan and skirts I-80 — a
> standing order, as the highway invariably seems to have construction
> delays. Then, it’s through the fall foliage of Indiana and Pennsylvania.
> Madden, lolling in the front seat with his feet on the windshield, nods at
> the colors.
> "People pay money to see scenes like this," he says. "You only get to see
> America driving through places
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>> "The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade"
>> <the_blade@the_mouth_of_Laura_Bush_Murdered_Her_Boyfriend.cum> wrote in
>> message news:MPG.1dbcf16a32e699429896bf@newsgroups.bellsouth.net…
>>> laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
>>>> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
>>>> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
>>> So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
>>> foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
>>> it, you red-bag pussy.
>> http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/car-guide-2004/madden1.asp
>> John Madden: America’s biggest commuter
>> By Paul Bannister . Bankrate.com
>> Sportscaster John Madden has not boarded a plane since 1979, but
>> crisscrosses the nation weekly during the football season covering "NFL
>> Monday Night Football" for ABC-TV.
>> His transport isn’t Amtrak or Greyhound. It’s the ultimate SUV — an
>> $800,000, 45-foot luxury coach fitted with everything from sauna to
>> gourmet galley.
>> Madden, 67, works, sleeps and eats as he covers 80,000 miles annually —
>> almost all of it between September and January — across America’s
>> interstate highways.
>> Here’s a peek at the highway lifestyle of America’s best-known "road
>> warrior."
>> The Madden Cruiser rolls out of the commentator’s upscale, gated
>> Blackhawk
>> development near Oakland for a routine, 53-hour transcontinental trek to
>> New York for a Monday Night Football assignment.
>> "Turn off your mind for 50 hours," says Madden, comfortable in golf shirt
>> and sweat pants.
>> He’s a high-temperature guy who has the best winning record of any
>> football coach from his days with the Oakland Raiders. He once patrolled
>> the sidelines of wintry Soldier Field, Chicago in his shirtsleeves, so
>> it’s no surprise that he sets the cabin’s climate control at a chilly 60
>> degrees.
>> The three flat-screen plasma televisions are tracking different stations
>> by satellite and an ABC staffer is working at a laptop computer that’s
>> up-linked to Madden’s Goal Line Productions office back in Pleasanton,
>> Calif.
>> The Cruiser is a rolling command post, with high-speed Internet access,
>> multiple TVs, a navigation system, cell phones and a fax all in satellite
>> contact with the outside world.
>> "We don’t stop any more to set up a satellite dish or make a phone call,"
>> says agent Sandy Montag. "We don’t need to. We keep rolling. It used to
>> be
>> that we didn’t use the satellite very much because we had to stop to set
>> it up.
>> "We don’t like to stop, and we have rules. We don’t wait for anyone, we
>> go
>> 1,000 miles on a tank of diesel and we finish any bottle of water we
>> start."
>> Sockless, despite the on-board chill, Madden takes a slug of his 48-ounce
>> water bottle.
>> "I used to get on the airplane, then I’d get off the airplane. I’d go to
>> the hotel and the stadium, then back to the airplane. I traveled all
>> over,
>> but I didn’t see anything. Now, I do," he says in that familiar,
>> confiding
>> voice.
>> It was back in 1979 that the poster child for the claustrophobic,
>> fear-of-flying set had what he described as "a full-blown panic attack"
>> when about to fly out of Tampa.
>> "It wasn’t about flying, bad turbulence or anything. The flight attendant
>> closed the door and before we’d even moved I knew I had to get off the
>> plane, but I gutted it out. You think you’re going to die. I was
>> sweating,
>> shaking, the whole thing.
>> "It was about being encased and not being able to get out."
>> Madden landed, turned in his frequent flier card, and grounded himself
>> forever.
>> First, he tried Amtrak, but when trains didn’t go where he wanted, he
>> hired a motor coach. Soon, he traded promotional appearances for a custom
>> Greyhound and boarded the first Madden Cruiser.
>> Today, he’s on his fourth, an E4500 Entertainer made by Motor Coach
>> Industries of Schaumburg, Ill., and complete with bedroom (the
>> queen-sized
>> air mattress is set at ‘firm’), guest bunks and polished granite-topped
>> galley with a double oven, electric stove and side-by-side fridge.
>> A generator big enough to power a 5,000-square-foot house powers it all.
>> There’s also a high-tech office, two bathrooms and an extra- large steam
>> shower and sauna — everything finished in rosewood and glove leather.
>> The luxury-suite-on-wheels comes courtesy of a promotional agreement with
>> Outback Steakhouse, and Madden makes a point of visiting as many of the
>> 1,000 U.S. outlets as he can during his odysseys. After nine years with
>> the company, he guesses he’s half way through the list.
>> But he still loves the greasy-spoon diners, back-road barbecue cafes and
>> home-cooking food joints he finds on America’s highways.
>> "I like to go into small towns and find a new place. In Mississippi, I’ve
>> got a seafood place I go to," he says. "In Van Horn, Texas, it’s Chuy’s.
>> We always call ahead and Mama Chuy makes a chicken dish with beans and
>> rice, and she makes her own tortillas.
>> "In California, in Los Banos on Interstate Highway 5, our first stop is
>> the Woolgrowers, a Basque restaurant. In Georgia, there’s a place called
>> The Georgia Pig, that’s just barbecue."
>> Madden wanders back to his office, scans the TV screens and starts
>> reading
>> sports reports, readying for his work at the Giants’ game.
>> Madden’s longtime drivers, Willie Yarbrough and Joe Mitchell, are always
>> at the controls of the Cruiser. It’s 13 feet high, weighs 45,000 pounds,
>> has a 200-gallon fuel tank and gets about six miles per gallon.
>> Operating costs aren’t discussed, but industry insiders say a luxury
>> coach
>> like this rents for $450 a day plus fuel, maintenance, insurance and
>> driver salaries. A few other odds and ends help push the cost well over a
>> dollar a mile, or say $4,000 for a one-way, cross-country trip.
>> That’s small change for Madden, who’s reputed to make about $40 million a
>> year from his broadcasting, video games and Ace Hardware and Outback
>> Steakhouse endorsements.
>> "If it’s a short trip, say from New York to Philadelphia, the bus is
>> full,
>> a rolling party," says Montag. "But when it’s all the way across country,
>> New York to San Francisco, there’s usually about three people aboard."
>> A rolling command post has its virtues, as well as being a people mover,
>> Montag says.
>> "In San Diego the other week, the NFL announced at 7 p.m. on Sunday that
>> the San Diego-Miami game would be moved to Arizona because of wildfires
>> in
>> California. By 7.30 p.m., John was on the Cruiser headed for Tempe.
>> "They arrived at 3.30 a.m., Monday and a few hours later were ready to
>> broadcast!"
>> Back on Sept. 11 when the World Trade Center towers were attacked, Madden
>> was in New York, where he has an apartment. The football game was
>> canceled
>> and he readied himself for a trip back to California.
>> His management group called to say that flight cancellations had left ice
>> queen Peggy Fleming stranded in Pennsylvania and could John give her a
>> ride back to her Los Gatos, Calif., home?
>> Big John collected the Olympic legend and as they drove through Nebraska,
>> they stopped at a small store near Omaha to buy American flags for the
>> bus.
>> "The guy couldn’t believe that Peggy Fleming and John Madden had just
>> walked in. He begged: ‘As you leave town, drive by the store and honk at
>> me!’"
>> As the Cruiser rolls east across the Sierra Nevada on Interstate Highway
>> 80, Madden retreats to his bedroom for a nap. Even the queen-sized bed is
>> special; it has an air mattress from Select Comfort that the manufacturer
>> scrambled to fit.
>> "John heard about the air mattress, tried it and liked it," says Chuck
>> Dorsey, president of the Minneapolis sleep company.
>> "The problem was coordinating its installation in the Cruiser, as it’s on
>> the road all the time."
>> A crew contacted the bus somewhere in Wyoming and when Madden arrived for
>> playoffs in the Twin Cities, workers took out the innerspring and
>> installed the new air bed while the game went on.
>> Dawn comes up as the Cruiser passes the Black Hills, and Madden is on the
>> intercom, asking the driver, "Where are we?"
>> Truckers on the interstate recognize the red-and-yellow rig and radio in
>> to ask driver Yarbrough where Madden’s headed, what game he’s doing.
>> By midafternoon, already through the Rockies with sightings of antelope,
>> wild horses and prairie dogs, there’s a stop for fuel. The bus is in
>> Nebraska, roughly half way, and Madden takes a 15-minute walk.
>> He doesn’t seek it, but he is quickly recognized as "The Football Guy"’
>> or
>> "The Ace Hardware Guy." Sometimes, people give him pies or fried chicken.
>> Mostly, they greet him and say how they enjoy listening to his
>> commentaries. He’s friendly, outgoing, approachable, but he’s soon back
>> on
>> the bus.
>> There’s no exercise equipment on the Cruiser. Madden considered putting a
>> treadmill on board, but it was too big.
>> "For me, it has to be industrial size," he sighs.
>> The drivers grab several local newspapers. Madden, after a steam shower
>> and sauna, downloads other reports from the Internet and starts to do
>> homework as the bus rolls through thickening traffic south of Chicago.
>> "I’m not a journalist, I’m not an actor. I’m a football coach doing
>> television," he says. "It’s fun. It’s my life, my passion. I’ll do it as
>> long as I can."
>> Madden’s driver stays far south of Lake
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>>> "The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade"
>>> <the_blade@the_mouth_of_Laura_Bush_Murdered_Her_Boyfriend.cum> wrote in
>>> message news:MPG.1dbcf16a32e699429896bf@newsgroups.bellsouth.net…
>>>> laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
>>>>> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
>>>>> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
>>>> So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
>>>> foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
>>>> it, you red-bag pussy.
>>> http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/car-guide-2004/madden1.asp
>>> John Madden: America’s biggest commuter
>>> By Paul Bannister . Bankrate.com
>>> Sportscaster John Madden has not boarded a plane since 1979, but
>>> crisscrosses the nation weekly during the football season covering "NFL
>>> Monday Night Football" for ABC-TV.
>>> His transport isn’t Amtrak or Greyhound. It’s the ultimate SUV — an
>>> $800,000, 45-foot luxury coach fitted with everything from sauna to
>>> gourmet galley.
>>> Madden, 67, works, sleeps and eats as he covers 80,000 miles annually —
>>> almost all of it between September and January — across America’s
>>> interstate highways.
>>> Here’s a peek at the highway lifestyle of America’s best-known "road
>>> warrior."
>>> The Madden Cruiser rolls out of the commentator’s upscale, gated
>>> Blackhawk
>>> development near Oakland for a routine, 53-hour transcontinental trek to
>>> New York for a Monday Night Football assignment.
>>> "Turn off your mind for 50 hours," says Madden, comfortable in golf
>>> shirt
>>> and sweat pants.
>>> He’s a high-temperature guy who has the best winning record of any
>>> football coach from his days with the Oakland Raiders. He once patrolled
>>> the sidelines of wintry Soldier Field, Chicago in his shirtsleeves, so
>>> it’s no surprise that he sets the cabin’s climate control at a chilly 60
>>> degrees.
>>> The three flat-screen plasma televisions are tracking different stations
>>> by satellite and an ABC staffer is working at a laptop computer that’s
>>> up-linked to Madden’s Goal Line Productions office back in Pleasanton,
>>> Calif.
>>> The Cruiser is a rolling command post, with high-speed Internet access,
>>> multiple TVs, a navigation system, cell phones and a fax all in
>>> satellite
>>> contact with the outside world.
>>> "We don’t stop any more to set up a satellite dish or make a phone
>>> call,"
>>> says agent Sandy Montag. "We don’t need to. We keep rolling. It used to
>>> be
>>> that we didn’t use the satellite very much because we had to stop to set
>>> it up.
>>> "We don’t like to stop, and we have rules. We don’t wait for anyone, we
>>> go
>>> 1,000 miles on a tank of diesel and we finish any bottle of water we
>>> start."
>>> Sockless, despite the on-board chill, Madden takes a slug of his
>>> 48-ounce
>>> water bottle.
>>> "I used to get on the airplane, then I’d get off the airplane. I’d go to
>>> the hotel and the stadium, then back to the airplane. I traveled all
>>> over,
>>> but I didn’t see anything. Now, I do," he says in that familiar,
>>> confiding
>>> voice.
>>> It was back in 1979 that the poster child for the claustrophobic,
>>> fear-of-flying set had what he described as "a full-blown panic attack"
>>> when about to fly out of Tampa.
>>> "It wasn’t about flying, bad turbulence or anything. The flight
>>> attendant
>>> closed the door and before we’d even moved I knew I had to get off the
>>> plane, but I gutted it out. You think you’re going to die. I was
>>> sweating,
>>> shaking, the whole thing.
>>> "It was about being encased and not being able to get out."
>>> Madden landed, turned in his frequent flier card, and grounded himself
>>> forever.
>>> First, he tried Amtrak, but when trains didn’t go where he wanted, he
>>> hired a motor coach. Soon, he traded promotional appearances for a
>>> custom
>>> Greyhound and boarded the first Madden Cruiser.
>>> Today, he’s on his fourth, an E4500 Entertainer made by Motor Coach
>>> Industries of Schaumburg, Ill., and complete with bedroom (the
>>> queen-sized
>>> air mattress is set at ‘firm’), guest bunks and polished granite-topped
>>> galley with a double oven, electric stove and side-by-side fridge.
>>> A generator big enough to power a 5,000-square-foot house powers it all.
>>> There’s also a high-tech office, two bathrooms and an extra- large steam
>>> shower and sauna — everything finished in rosewood and glove leather.
>>> The luxury-suite-on-wheels comes courtesy of a promotional agreement
>>> with
>>> Outback Steakhouse, and Madden makes a point of visiting as many of the
>>> 1,000 U.S. outlets as he can during his odysseys. After nine years with
>>> the company, he guesses he’s half way through the list.
>>> But he still loves the greasy-spoon diners, back-road barbecue cafes and
>>> home-cooking food joints he finds on America’s highways.
>>> "I like to go into small towns and find a new place. In Mississippi,
>>> I’ve
>>> got a seafood place I go to," he says. "In Van Horn, Texas, it’s Chuy’s.
>>> We always call ahead and Mama Chuy makes a chicken dish with beans and
>>> rice, and she makes her own tortillas.
>>> "In California, in Los Banos on Interstate Highway 5, our first stop is
>>> the Woolgrowers, a Basque restaurant. In Georgia, there’s a place called
>>> The Georgia Pig, that’s just barbecue."
>>> Madden wanders back to his office, scans the TV screens and starts
>>> reading
>>> sports reports, readying for his work at the Giants’ game.
>>> Madden’s longtime drivers, Willie Yarbrough and Joe Mitchell, are always
>>> at the controls of the Cruiser. It’s 13 feet high, weighs 45,000 pounds,
>>> has a 200-gallon fuel tank and gets about six miles per gallon.
>>> Operating costs aren’t discussed, but industry insiders say a luxury
>>> coach
>>> like this rents for $450 a day plus fuel, maintenance, insurance and
>>> driver salaries. A few other odds and ends help push the cost well over
>>> a
>>> dollar a mile, or say $4,000 for a one-way, cross-country trip.
>>> That’s small change for Madden, who’s reputed to make about $40 million
>>> a
>>> year from his broadcasting, video games and Ace Hardware and Outback
>>> Steakhouse endorsements.
>>> "If it’s a short trip, say from New York to Philadelphia, the bus is
>>> full,
>>> a rolling party," says Montag. "But when it’s all the way across
>>> country,
>>> New York to San Francisco, there’s usually about three people aboard."
>>> A rolling command post has its virtues, as well as being a people mover,
>>> Montag says.
>>> "In San Diego the other week, the NFL announced at 7 p.m. on Sunday that
>>> the San Diego-Miami game would be moved to Arizona because of wildfires
>>> in
>>> California. By 7.30 p.m., John was on the Cruiser headed for Tempe.
>>> "They arrived at 3.30 a.m., Monday and a few hours later were ready to
>>> broadcast!"
>>> Back on Sept. 11 when the World Trade Center towers were attacked,
>>> Madden
>>> was in New York, where he has an apartment. The football game was
>>> canceled
>>> and he readied himself for a trip back to California.
>>> His management group called to say that flight cancellations had left
>>> ice
>>> queen Peggy Fleming stranded in Pennsylvania and could John give her a
>>> ride back to her Los Gatos, Calif., home?
>>> Big John collected the Olympic legend and as they drove through
>>> Nebraska,
>>> they stopped at a small store near Omaha to buy American flags for the
>>> bus.
>>> "The guy couldn’t believe that Peggy Fleming and John Madden had just
>>> walked in. He begged: ‘As you leave town, drive by the store and honk at
>>> me!’"
>>> As the Cruiser rolls east across the Sierra Nevada on Interstate Highway
>>> 80, Madden retreats to his bedroom for a nap. Even the queen-sized bed
>>> is
>>> special; it has an air mattress from Select Comfort that the
>>> manufacturer
>>> scrambled to fit.
>>> "John heard about the air mattress, tried it and liked it," says Chuck
>>> Dorsey, president of the Minneapolis sleep company.
>>> "The problem was coordinating its installation in the Cruiser, as it’s
>>> on
>>> the road all the time."
>>> A crew contacted the bus somewhere in Wyoming and when Madden arrived
>>> for
>>> playoffs in the Twin Cities, workers took out the innerspring and
>>> installed the new air bed while the game went on.
>>> Dawn comes up as the Cruiser passes the Black Hills, and Madden is on
>>> the
>>> intercom, asking the driver, "Where are we?"
>>> Truckers on the interstate recognize the red-and-yellow rig and radio in
>>> to ask driver Yarbrough where Madden’s headed, what game he’s doing.
>>> By midafternoon, already through the Rockies with sightings of antelope,
>>> wild horses and prairie dogs, there’s a stop for fuel. The bus is in
>>> Nebraska, roughly half way, and Madden takes a 15-minute walk.
>>> He doesn’t seek it, but he is quickly recognized as "The Football Guy"’
>>> or
>>> "The Ace Hardware Guy." Sometimes, people give him pies or fried
>>> chicken.
>>> Mostly, they greet him and say how they enjoy listening to his
>>> commentaries. He’s friendly, outgoing, approachable, but he’s soon back
>>> on
>>> the bus.
>>> There’s no exercise equipment on the Cruiser. Madden considered putting
>>> a
>>> treadmill on board, but it was too big.
>>> "For me, it has to be industrial size," he
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> I would like to try those restaurants he mentioned. Seems like Madden
would
> know
> good food. I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
It’s awesome, there are some great Basque places down in the Bakersfield
area. Its always served family style, i.e. big bowls of soup and salad etc
put on the table, and everyone takes as much as they want. Big eaters are
in heaven.
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>> I would like to try those restaurants he mentioned. Seems like Madden
> would
>> know
>> good food. I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
> It’s awesome, there are some great Basque places down in the Bakersfield
> area. Its always served family style, i.e. big bowls of soup and salad
> etc
> put on the table, and everyone takes as much as they want. Big eaters are
> in heaven.
What kind of ingredients do they use?
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> > "earthage2002" <earthage2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1129527900.e23f913cc19ab3e8a3031fcabe75ebe9@teranews…
> >> I would like to try those restaurants he mentioned. Seems like Madden
> > would
> >> know
> >> good food. I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
> > It’s awesome, there are some great Basque places down in the Bakersfield
> > area. Its always served family style, i.e. big bowls of soup and salad
> > etc
> > put on the table, and everyone takes as much as they want. Big eaters
are
> > in heaven.
> What kind of ingredients do they use?
It’s hearty country food. Vegetable soups in a rich broth, lots of homemade
bread, and usually lamb or beef. The place I used to go to with a riding
buddy down in Kern county would have venison in hunting season, but I don’t
know if that’s typical.
<Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
make a lot more.
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> I would like to try those restaurants he mentioned. Seems like Madden
> would know
> good food. I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
You’re so close!
Bakersfield has some good ones; the one we liked the best is in a
California-mission style building.
If you’ve never had Basque, you may be surprised. It’s more of a
family-style meal, with lots of garlic.
Usually, they start with crusty bread and salad, then cabbage soup, then
your selected entree with sides of good beans, great fries, and two other
vegetables. Make sure you have a Picon Punch. Or four. You’ll hate your
first sip of Picon, but by the end, you can’t wait to order another.
Last July my husband and I drove the old Lincoln Highway across Nevada, and
ate Basque in Fallon (and in Winnemucca on the way back). Elko has four
(we’ve been to them all, prefering the Hotel or Biltoki)….and there’s two
in Boise. We didn’t care for the one we tried in Boise (but maybe it was
the squid-ink pasta I insisted on trying?). Oh yeah, Louis’ Basque Corner
in Reno is probably the most famous.
Kris
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> <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
> And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
> known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
> it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
> make a lot more.
Go google up the demographics. Far more people are born in to wealth than
acquire it on their own.
DedNdog…@AOL.com wrote:
> <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
> And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
> known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
> it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
> make a lot more.
Even those super-rich who "worked" for their money had unproductive
jobs. They are atheletes or entertainers or corporate CEOs or
politicians. We have social parasites on both ends of the economic
spectrum.
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade wrote:
> > laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE:
> > > People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
> > > americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
> > So the fuck what? Its THEIR money. They WORKED for it (I know that is a
> > foreign concept to you). If an RV makes them happy, then so fucking be
> > it, you red-bag pussy.
> What makes you think they worked for it? Most rich people are born to
> wealth like your god bush. He’s got millions but has never had a real
> job in his life.
If there’s one politician you CAN’T claim not having a real job is
Bush. Until being govenor, he was in the private sector.
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> DedNdog…@AOL.com wrote:
> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
> > make a lot more.
> Even those super-rich who "worked" for their money had unproductive
> jobs. They are atheletes or entertainers or corporate CEOs or
> politicians. We have social parasites on both ends of the economic
> spectrum.
Pure jealousy on your part.
An athelete who earned $10 million a year is making money for others,
otherwise he wouldn’t earn that much. "Parasite" is hardly an apt
description when nobody was forced to pay him that amount.
Just because nobody thinks your sorry ass is worth more than a couple
of bucks an hour doesn’t make everybody else who earns more than you do
a parasite.
Bo Raxo wrote:
> <DedNdog…@AOL.com> wrote in message
> news:1129541682.910380.167950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
> > make a lot more.
> Go google up the demographics. Far more people are born in to wealth than
> acquire it on their own.
And some people have, in fact, worked all their lives and use the RV
after retirement to go to and to stay in places otherwise out of their
range.
yD
<yaffadi…@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bo Raxo wrote:
>> <DedNdog…@AOL.com> wrote in message
>> news:1129541682.910380.167950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
>> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
>> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
>> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
>> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
>> > make a lot more.
>> Go google up the demographics. Far more people are born in to wealth
>> than
>> acquire it on their own.
> And some people have, in fact, worked all their lives and use the RV
> after retirement to go to and to stay in places otherwise out of their
> range.
> yD
But whatever they didn’t pay for a hotel room, they made up for it in what
they paid for gas.
"earthage2002" <earthage2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <yaffadi…@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1129565805.376454.179050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
>> Bo Raxo wrote:
>>> <DedNdog…@AOL.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1129541682.910380.167950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
>>> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
>>> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
>>> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
>>> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
>>> > make a lot more.
>>> Go google up the demographics. Far more people are born in to wealth
>>> than
>>> acquire it on their own.
>> And some people have, in fact, worked all their lives and use the RV
>> after retirement to go to and to stay in places otherwise out of their
>> range.
>> yD
> But whatever they didn’t pay for a hotel room, they made up for it in what
> they paid for gas.
….but most aren’t out driving *every* day. The big units (and I’m
including the large fifth-wheel trailers, which we’re looking at) are
designed as residences more than vehicles. You either tow a car behind an
RV, or get a trailer and use the truck. Only John Madden could afford to
drive that far every day; the rest of us would have to drive a day, then
park for a week
There’s also the issue that you’re able to take your own (good) food with
you, rather than depending on greasy spoons and fast food. For instance,
the ONLY good "real" meal we had two weeks ago, when we went down to Capitol
Reef National Park, cost us $87.41 for two (with one beer, one margarita).
Our hotel was $109 a night (three nights)…and our food came to another
$325. That’s $652 in expenses that we could have cut down to less than
$100, if we’d had an RV and stayed in the park (or stayed in one of the RV
parks for about $20-$25 a night). We were less than 300 miles from home.
Kris
"laura bush – VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> People that drive these 10 ton tanks are a menace to all the patriotic
> americans driving small vehicles. And that’s why they’re popular.
Unless something changed, and we live in a socialist country, if someone can
afford it, they should have it. This is the driver behind capitalism. If you
dont like it, move to France or Germany, or worse, Norway.
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Kris Baker wrote:
>> I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
> If you’ve never had Basque, you may be surprised. It’s more of a
> family-style meal, with lots of garlic.
*The* Basque restaurant was Oñati, in Boise, ID.
It closed about 18 months ago.
"Daniel J. Stern" <dast…@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Kris Baker wrote:
>> I’ve never had Basque food before and would love to try it.
> If you’ve never had Basque, you may be surprised. It’s more of a
> family-style meal, with lots of garlic.
*The* Basque restaurant was Oati, in Boise, ID.
It closed about 18 months ago.
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Onati?
Was that the one on Chinden? If so, it’s the one we didn’t care for.
I think you always love the FIRST one you visit, the most. That’s the way
it was with us, with Biltoki in Elko, for quite awhile. Right now, our
favorite is Ormachea’s in Winnemucca, but their bread is awful. The best
bread is in Elko. Homemade, hard-crusted….
Kris
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earthage2002 wrote:
> <yaffadi…@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1129565805.376454.179050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
> > Bo Raxo wrote:
> >> <DedNdog…@AOL.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1129541682.910380.167950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com…
> >> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
> >> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
> >> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
> >> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
> >> > make a lot more.
> >> Go google up the demographics. Far more people are born in to wealth
> >> than
> >> acquire it on their own.
> > And some people have, in fact, worked all their lives and use the RV
> > after retirement to go to and to stay in places otherwise out of their
> > range.
> > yD
> But whatever they didn’t pay for a hotel room, they made up for it in what
> they paid for gas.
Maybe, it would depend on the price of the hotel room, but they get to
travel a lot, save on meals too. And I know from the photos and
postcards I get that America sure is a beautiful country.
yD
>> Even those super-rich who "worked" for their money had unproductive
>> jobs. They are atheletes or entertainers or corporate CEOs or
>> politicians. We have social parasites on both ends of the economic
>> spectrum.
> Pure jealousy on your part.
> An athelete who earned $10 million a year is making money for others,
> otherwise he wouldn’t earn that much. "Parasite" is hardly an apt
> description when nobody was forced to pay him that amount.
> Just because nobody thinks your sorry ass is worth more than a couple
> of bucks an hour doesn’t make everybody else who earns more than you
> do a parasite.
And I suppose you think Judy’s not a troll either ;^)
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2…@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>> DedNdog…@AOL.com wrote:
>> > <Most rich people are born to wealth…….>
>> > And you get this information where? Out of all the people I have ever
>> > known who had money the vast majority went to college and worked for
>> > it. Some did both; inherited money and used it to buy a business and
>> > make a lot more.
>> Even those super-rich who "worked" for their money had unproductive
>> jobs. They are atheletes or entertainers or corporate CEOs or
>> politicians. We have social parasites on both ends of the economic
>> spectrum.
> Pure jealousy on your part.
> An athelete who earned $10 million a year is making money for others,
> otherwise he wouldn’t earn that much. "Parasite" is hardly an apt
> description when nobody was forced to pay him that amount.
> Just because nobody thinks your sorry ass is worth more than a couple
> of bucks an hour doesn’t make everybody else who earns more than you do
> a parasite.
Entertainers(even sports players) do a fair amount of work.
Doing a concert is a considerable effort,and training for a sports ‘game’
is quite a bit of work. Try singing for a couple of hours.
Then some of them do advertising work in their "spare time".
–
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net