> If I’m not mistaken a 50 inch stair riser would be 50" Vert. wich would
> mean the Tires have to be 100" to roll over them.  The bumper height is
> less than 30" on a Hummer.  I drove one in my Infantry unit in the ARMY
> for 6 months and I KNOW it will go many places a Land Rover or Jeep won’t,
> but it WILL NOT climp 50" stairs.

> Sean Alexander

While I agree that 50" is not a realistic step to go over, I will say that
it is QUITE easy to climb a step taller than your tire.  All you need to do
is approach it at an angle, turn the front wheel out of the wheel well, and
let it grab the rock face, and up you go.  Keep turning into it, and the
other side will lift right up with it.

I have watched many drivers, and have done this myself, get over obstacles
that seem impossible to climb.  I attend the Easter Jeep Safari in Moab, Utah,
and routinely watch Jeeps and other trucks climb steps that are 36-40" high,
and some higher than that, with only 33" tires.  Same thing happens here in
the Sierra Nevada on the Rubicon.

Jeeps, and the Hummers, which are open to the front, may indeed be able to
attack a rock face fairly straight on and get over it.  My Bronco II requires
that I turn the tire out and grab it more from the side.

This is SOP for offroading.  Look at any of the magazines about driving off
road.  They all tell you to aim a tire for the rock, and go over it, rather
than around it.  Done properly, you can get through extremely narrow vertical
spaces, or over very large boulders, without even scratching a rocker panel.

Tom

Engine lay between driver and passenger. Take up interior
space such that it can go over 5 feet of water. Not comfortable
at all. But take you through areas that’s even more uncomfortable.

>climb rock stair as high as 50 inches.

If I’m not mistaken a 50 inch stair riser would be 50" Vert. wich would
mean the Tires have to be 100" to roll over them.  The bumper height is
less than 30" on a Hummer.  I drove one in my Infantry unit in the ARMY
for 6 months and I KNOW it will go many places a Land Rover or Jeep won’t,
but it WILL NOT climp 50" stairs.

Sean Alexander

(Alex Bronstein) writes:
> Sorry for the newbie question: what’s a "Hummer"?  I’ve been looking
> at the Land Rover Discovery (in my dreams) so if I’m missing something
> comparable, I’d love to know.

"Hummer" is the nickname of the HMMWV, or "High Mobility Multipurpose
Wheeled Vehicle" — the successor to the Jeep as the all-purpose
vehicle of the U.S. armed forces.  (I understand that the Army
folks dislike the nickname due to its sexual connotations,
prefferring "Humvee" instead.)

The Hummer is a large, slab-sided vehicle with enormous ground
clearance, a vertical windshield, and a GM diesel V-8 engine.
It was originally developed by the AM General division of
what was then American Motors, but is now built by LTV of
F-8 Crusader and A-7 Corsair fame.  It’s not really comparable
to the Discovery at all.  The Hummer is a no-compromise vehicle,
rather Spartan inside, with limited freeway utility according
to what the car maghazines say.

Geoff

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>>Knocks the socks off other offroaders !!!
>>Get one – you won’t regret it.
>>Tim
>Can you say "Hummer"? I knew you could…

Hardly in the same league, is it?  I mean, how many gallons to the mile
does the Hummer get, does it have connoly leather seats, and wouldn’t the
ride cause the CD player to keep skipping?  (NOTE:  Lots of tongue placed
firmly in cheek humour here, don’t bother flaming back)

Sorry for the newbie question: what’s a "Hummer"?  I’ve been looking
at the Land Rover Discovery (in my dreams) so if I’m missing something
comparable, I’d love to know.

Thanks,

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(Christopher Paul Wazzan) writes:
> Hello all,  I’m thinking about getting the new Land Rover Discovery.
> I was wondering if anybody has any information/knowledge about this
> vehicle.  I would also like to know about the reliability of the cars

Check out the latest issue of Car and Driver.  They review the ’94 Land  
Rover Discovery…  Quite favorably, I might add.

Later!

Disclaimer: I owned two FJ40′s, not the big wagons that they sell today.
However, nothing in the car press says the new Toys are any less rugged
(though they are _much_ more civilized inside) than their predecessors.

Get one – you won’t regret it.

Tim

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> Hello all,  I’m thinking about getting the new Land Rover Discovery.
> I was wondering if anybody has any information/knowledge about this
> vehicle.  I would also like to know about the reliability of the cars
> made by this company.  Does anybody own one?  It seems to compare
> favorably with the Toyota Land Cruiser (personal opinion) but of
> course there is no way to judge the quality or durability since it’s a
> new model.  Thanks for any help/info.  Paul W.