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>In article <1994Aug2.201645.2…@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>,
>c2…@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) wrote:

>> In article <1994Aug1.175645….@msus1.msus.edu> cs270…@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (cs270 user 003) writes:
>> >Proof that average American buyer’s taste of cars is a bit strange: The
>> >Ford Tempo and Chevy Cavalier are still one of the best selling car in
>> >the U.S.! Imagine if they were sold in Europe!

>> The Cavalier was sold in Europe long before it made it in the US. Different names
>> of course. Not to mention the Chevette, Pontiac Le Mans….

>> The Lancia Delta etc comes from a rich tradition of rallye cars. Unfortunately
>> the tradition won’t do squat if I can’t find a dealer or if the car rusts to
>> pieces.

>Love, care, love, more care, more love, more care… Italian cars never die
>on you if you treat them right. And with a Delta Integrale, you need to
>know your mechanics anyway, otherwise the car’s a total waste on the owner.
>Remember, an italian car is NOT a car, it is a piece of the soul of Italy.

>And to FINALLY stop the fallacy of rusting italian cars: that was true in
>the 70s (they kinda forgot to make steel, then). Nowaday’s the’re just as
>good or bad as any other. Love, care, love, care….

>And TRUCKLOADS of driving fun!

>Cheers, Jurgen.
>[Lancia - or die]

Apparently Americans don’t care much about their cars, that’s probably
why VW and Alfa Romeo isn’t selling well in the US (isn’t selling at all?)
and we love Japanese cars so much. I like cars very much, but I wouldn’t
want a car that I have to toil under the hood every once a while fixing
minor (or major) stuff.

Bernardus.

>The Vauxhall Cavalier isn’t the same car as the J-bodied Chevrolet
>Cavalier.

It isn’t now, but they used to both be J-bodies. GM-Europe updated the
platform, but GM-US did not.

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(Geoff Miller) wrote:

> c2…@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

> > The Cavalier was sold in Europe long before it made it in the US.
> > Different names of course.

> The Vauxhall Cavalier isn’t the same car as the J-bodied Chevrolet
> Cavalier.

> I believe Opel makes a version of the Vauxhall Cavalier under some
> other model name, although I forget what it’s called.

Actually its the other way ’round: Vauxhall makes a version of the opel
Vectra (YUKK!).

Hey! This has zip to do with Lancia! Cut it out!

Cheers, Jurgen.
[Lancia - or die]

c2…@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) wrote:
> In article <1994Aug1.175645….@msus1.msus.edu> cs270…@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (cs270 user 003) writes:
> >Proof that average American buyer’s taste of cars is a bit strange: The
> >Ford Tempo and Chevy Cavalier are still one of the best selling car in
> >the U.S.! Imagine if they were sold in Europe!

> The Cavalier was sold in Europe long before it made it in the US. Different names
> of course. Not to mention the Chevette, Pontiac Le Mans….

> The Lancia Delta etc comes from a rich tradition of rallye cars. Unfortunately
> the tradition won’t do squat if I can’t find a dealer or if the car rusts to
> pieces.

Love, care, love, more care, more love, more care… Italian cars never die
on you if you treat them right. And with a Delta Integrale, you need to
know your mechanics anyway, otherwise the car’s a total waste on the owner.
Remember, an italian car is NOT a car, it is a piece of the soul of Italy.

And to FINALLY stop the fallacy of rusting italian cars: that was true in
the 70s (they kinda forgot to make steel, then). Nowaday’s the’re just as
good or bad as any other. Love, care, love, care….

And TRUCKLOADS of driving fun!

Cheers, Jurgen.
[Lancia - or die]

The Vauxhall Cavalier isn’t the same car as the J-bodied Chevrolet
Cavalier.

I believe Opel makes a version of the Vauxhall Cavalier under some
other model name, although I forget what it’s called.

Geoff

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>Proof that average American buyer’s taste of cars is a bit strange: The
>Ford Tempo and Chevy Cavalier are still one of the best selling car in
>the U.S.! Imagine if they were sold in Europe!

The Cavalier was sold in Europe long before it made it in the US. Different names
of course. Not to mention the Chevette, Pontiac Le Mans….

The Lancia Delta etc comes from a rich tradition of rallye cars. Unfortunately
the tradition won’t do squat if I can’t find a dealer or if the car rusts to
pieces.

Spiros

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>Marcus Bonse                          email: m.h.w.bo…@wbmt.tudelft.nl
>Delft University of Technology
>Lab. for Micro Engineering

Sorry for that little comment if it insulted any Lancia lovers out
there! I guess I should put it in a different way: Even if it’s sold in
the U.S. it would probably sell quite poorly. Why? I don’t know. Maybe
Americans just don’t see a need for a boxy, rather outdated
(exterior-wise), small, blindingly fast car with extraordinary handling
and an engine that has to be revved high to get the most of it (read
some other post before this about how Americans want power down low in
the rev range).

Somehow Italian cars don’t sell well here. It might be that Americans
don’t care about Italian cars, or Italian car manufacturers don’t care
about American public! Can’t say Alfa Romeo hasn’t tried its best,
though, with all that excellent warranty (I think it’s 2 or 3 years free
maintenance, all you pay is gas, plus regular 5 year warranty or
something!) yet the public just won’t buy’em. Maybe they need cheaper
cars, (like the, umm…Lancias!) the public might be more willing to  
buy cars that are considered ‘risky’ if it wouldn’t be so expensive.

Proof that average American buyer’s taste of cars is a bit strange: The
Ford Tempo and Chevy Cavalier are still one of the best selling car in
the U.S.! Imagine if they were sold in Europe!

Bernardus

(Marcus Bonse) wrote:
> In <1994Jul27.222846….@msus1.msus.edu>, cs270…@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (cs270 user 003) writes:
> >Nope, no Lancias whatsoever in the U.S. In fact, the only non-exotic
> >Italian car in the U.S. is Alfa Romeo, and they’re struggling. Not that
> >we need them! There are other 210 hp 4wd car here, though, the new Eagle
>  *************
> Why is that? Please explain. Do you need hondas then?

> Marcus Bonse                          email: m.h.w.bo…@wbmt.tudelft.nl
> Delft University of Technology
> Lab. for Micro Engineering

Good comment!

Cheers, Jurgen

(rob) wrote:
> In article <31cood$…@search01.news.aol.com>
> steadi…@aol.com (STEADI RIC) writes:

> > In article <1994Jul27.222846….@msus1.msus.edu>,
> > cs270…@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (cs270 user 003) writes:

> > >Nope, no Lancias whatsoever in the U.S.
> >                   ^^^^^^^^^^
> > Sorry but I saw one at the airport in Indianoplis during May

WHat a pity, you guys are missing out on all the fun over there…
Especially with the Delta Integrale in mind… I’d sell my mother AND my
Lancia Dedra 1.8 i.e. just to get a genuine Delta Integrale…. That car is
STILL the king of rally racing. It’s a pity that big mama FIAT want to
position Alfa as the ‘sporty’ brand, and Lancia as the ‘exclusive’ brand.
For an ‘exclusive’ brand, Lancia has been making a stunning array of *very*
sporty cars… Maybe, just maybe, we’ll see the new Delta model re-emerge
in rally sport. Lancia has been winning about every single race over here
since the mid 80′s. OK, that’s slightly overdon . But, over 60% of all
races run have been won by Lancia. World rally champions like  88, 89, 90,
91 and before and after…

Cheers, Jurgen.

steadi…@aol.com (STEADI RIC) writes:
> In article <1994Jul27.222846….@msus1.msus.edu>,
> cs270…@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (cs270 user 003) writes:

> >Nope, no Lancias whatsoever in the U.S.
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^
> Sorry but I saw one at the airport in Indianoplis during May

> Eric Fletcher
> Instructor FAST COMPANY RACING SCHOOL

Maybe we should modify "whatsoever" to "currently imported" for the
literal minded.  I seem to recall that it has been on the order of 10
years since Lancias were imported to the US.

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