When to use highbeams?!?!?!?
Well NOT when there is anybody you can blind with them. On the highway
its ok if there is nobody around but if you bright someone they might
get mad. Like me, I’ve got a small rice burner truck with enough
lights to teach anybody who brights me not to do it again. Plus I got
one pointing backwards for those who like to come up behind you with
thier brights on.
Call me whatever you want but I like to see at night and if you bright
me I’ll BRIGHT you.
31
Jul
highbeams
posted by admin in Uncategorized and have Comments (24)
Well, in drivers Ed., if any of you
might recall, they said, ‘One blind
driver is bad enough. Two doesnt help
the situation’… True.. But, when
people have their brights in my face,
I am compelled to let them know..
there are many ways in which I do
this.. For one.. I have an emergency
super-strong lamp with a cigarrette
lighter attachment.. if someone has
their brights in my face (typically
behind me when I cannot conventionally
bright them back) I turn the lamp and
blind them that way..Either that, or
my windhield fluid squirts right over
my car and nails the one behind me…
My PA system does wonders also..
mainly for people who cut me off..
Its nice to always be prepared..
One scenario that especialy irks me
are the people that flash me their
brights, thinking I have my brights on
when I dont.. Its alwyas nice wheen I
can flash mine on just to make them
look stupid, but occasonally I have
the urge to turn around and follow
them, then bright them, just to make
me feel better….
In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
]
] Well, in drivers Ed., if any of you
]might recall, they said, ‘One blind
]driver is bad enough. Two doesnt help
]the situation’… True.. But, when
]people have their brights in my face,
]I am compelled to let them know..
]there are many ways in which I do
]this.. For one.. I have an emergency
]super-strong lamp with a cigarrette
]lighter attachment.. if someone has
]their brights in my face (typically
]behind me when I cannot conventionally
]bright them back) I turn the lamp and
]blind them that way..Either that, or
]my windhield fluid squirts right over
]my car and nails the one behind me…
]My PA system does wonders also..
]mainly for people who cut me off..
]Its nice to always be prepared..
Your motives are almost exactly in line with what I’d expect of somone
in high school looking for ways to placate their overdeveloped ego.
Notwithstanding the fact that it’s quite illegal to shine a Q-beam or
other similar spotlight into a following driver’s face, it’s likely
to cause an accident or provoke someone into taking more agressive
actions against you. Now, perhaps it’s a stretch for someone
who’s access to the net comes by way of a Commodore 64 or some other
cheap 40-column home computer and adolescent BBS, but there are far
better ways of handling the situation. Consider pulling over, and
letting the offending driver by, for instance.
I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
driving. Your friends probably think it’s real cool, too, huh?
] One scenario that especialy irks me
]are the people that flash me their
]brights, thinking I have my brights on
]when I dont.. Its alwyas nice wheen I
]can flash mine on just to make them
]look stupid, but occasonally I have
]the urge to turn around and follow
]them, then bright them, just to make
]me feel better….
It’s nice to know that there are so many other responsible users of our
roads out there with _properly_ adjusted headlights.
Do you have ten twenty-inch subwoofers in your car, too?
Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
such BBSs seem to attract.
- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
>In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
>…
>I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
>shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
>driving. Your friends probably think it’s real cool, too, huh?
It must be nice to know what someone else does, after all nothing
was said about what was said, maybe just telling them of the vehicle
code that they broke, but I admit it sounds better to say that
he would be shouting obscenities and you may even be right.
>…
>Do you have ten twenty-inch subwoofers in your car, too?
Nice personal attack.
>Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
>the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
>to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
>such BBSs seem to attract.
>- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
Yes, it does sound like a good idea to send mail to Sun and see
if we can improve the signalto noise ratio by having YOUR account
removed or at least net access.
Why is it that people tend to think that the solution is to cut
access off for people whose comments they don’t like? Your comment
may have been joking, but censorship is not a joke, besides
why do you think that YOU have more of a right to have access
than someone else does?
I don’t agree with the orignal posting that you responded to,
but your article is no better, in fact in some ways it is worse.
I would rather people say what things they do than to have someone
think it is a good idea to practice censorship, even if what
they do is wrong in my opinion.
Personal insults and attacks such as you displayed above does
nothing to help things nor does it contribute to the discussion.
This should actually should have been e-mailed to you, but
I felt like making it more public than that since I have heard
similar comments before.
Kemasa.
—
It would be interesting if people would listen to what they are saying,
but then again others are not listening either, so why should they?
e-mail address: sandb…@ipla01.hac.com
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In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
>In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
>]
>] Well, in drivers Ed., if any of you
>]might recall, they said, ‘One blind
>]driver is bad enough. Two doesnt help
>]the situation’… True.. But, when
>]people have their brights in my face,
>]I am compelled to let them know..
>]there are many ways in which I do
>]this.. For one.. I have an emergency
>]super-strong lamp with a cigarrette
>]lighter attachment.. if someone has
>]their brights in my face (typically
>]behind me when I cannot conventionally
>]bright them back) I turn the lamp and
>]blind them that way..Either that, or
>]my windhield fluid squirts right over
>]my car and nails the one behind me…
>]My PA system does wonders also..
>]mainly for people who cut me off..
>]Its nice to always be prepared..
>Your motives are almost exactly in line with what I’d expect of somone
>in high school looking for ways to placate their overdeveloped ego.
>Notwithstanding the fact that it’s quite illegal to shine a Q-beam or
>other similar spotlight into a following driver’s face, it’s likely
>to cause an accident or provoke someone into taking more agressive
>actions against you. Now, perhaps it’s a stretch for someone
>who’s access to the net comes by way of a Commodore 64 or some other
>cheap 40-column home computer and adolescent BBS, but there are far
>better ways of handling the situation. Consider pulling over, and
>letting the offending driver by, for instance.
>I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
>shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
>driving. Your friends probably think it’s real cool, too, huh?
>] One scenario that especialy irks me
>]are the people that flash me their
>]brights, thinking I have my brights on
>]when I dont.. Its alwyas nice wheen I
>]can flash mine on just to make them
>]look stupid, but occasonally I have
>]the urge to turn around and follow
>]them, then bright them, just to make
>]me feel better….
>It’s nice to know that there are so many other responsible users of our
>roads out there with _properly_ adjusted headlights.
>Do you have ten twenty-inch subwoofers in your car, too?
>Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
>the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
>to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
>such BBSs seem to attract.
>- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
In article <13…@hacgate.UUCP> sandb…@ipla01.hac.com (K. M. Sandberg) writes:
>In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
]>I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
]>shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
]>driving. Your friends probably think it’s real cool, too, huh?
]
]It must be nice to know what someone else does, after all nothing
]was said about what was said, maybe just telling them of the vehicle
]code that they broke, but I admit it sounds better to say that
]he would be shouting obscenities and you may even be right.
]
I would describe myself as a realist. If you don’t think Gary Morris
would shout obscenities at someone that cut him off, then I’d describe
you as an optimist.
]>…
]>Do you have ten twenty-inch subwoofers in your car, too?
]
]Nice personal attack.
]
No apologies here. Just extrapolating on what I’ve already seen.
]>Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
]>the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
]>to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
]>such BBSs seem to attract.
]>
]Yes, it does sound like a good idea to send mail to Sun and see
]if we can improve the signalto noise ratio by having YOUR account
]removed or at least net access.
]
Be my guest. Send mail to r…@eng.sun.com. Good luck.
]Why is it that people tend to think that the solution is to cut
]access off for people whose comments they don’t like? Your comment
]may have been joking, but censorship is not a joke, besides
]why do you think that YOU have more of a right to have access
]than someone else does?
]
Just as the state chooses to define a particular age at which a
child becomes and adult, and confers upon that person certain additional
rights and responsibilities, so I would like to see a line drawn
insofar as access to the net is concerned. I don’t mind that more
and more universities now have net access; I wish I had net access
when I was in college. I don’t mind that more and more, "high-tech,"
companies have net access. I don’t mind that you can purchase net
access through several places. For the most part, the people that
access the net through these channels have made it through puberty
without any serious complications. But when you start letting public
bulletin board services on the net, through which thousands of kids
in high school can get access, that’s where I choose to draw the line.
In my opinion, net access should not be granted to public domain BBSs,
and I’ll do what I can to prevent that from happening. Label this
with words like, "censorship," all you want. It’s not going to change
the way I feel about it.
]I don’t agree with the orignal posting that you responded to,
]but your article is no better, in fact in some ways it is worse.
]I would rather people say what things they do than to have someone
]think it is a good idea to practice censorship, even if what
]they do is wrong in my opinion.
]
So go yell, "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater.
]Personal insults and attacks such as you displayed above does
]nothing to help things nor does it contribute to the discussion.
]This should actually should have been e-mailed to you, but
]I felt like making it more public than that since I have heard
]similar comments before.
]
That’s your opinion. Personally, I find a bit of flaming every now
and then livens up the discussion and keeps things interesting. Have
a nice day.
- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
> ]Its nice to always be prepared..
>
> Your motives are almost exactly in line with what I’d expect of somone
> who’s access to the net comes by way of a Commodore 64 or some other
> cheap 40-column home computer and adolescent BBS, but there are far
> Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
> the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
> to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
> such BBSs seem to attract.
>
> – Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
A BIG A-MEN Bill! *A-MEN*!!!!
—
Me, here. They didnt make me sayit.
In article <13…@hacgate.UUCP> sandb…@ipla01.hac.com (K. M. Sandberg) writes:
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> In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
>>In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
>>…
>>I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
>>shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
>>driving. Your friends probably think it’s real cool, too, huh?
> It must be nice to know what someone else does, after all nothing
>was said about what was said, maybe just telling them of the vehicle
>code that they broke, but I admit it sounds better to say that
>he would be shouting obscenities and you may even be right.
> >Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
>>the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
>>to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
>>such BBSs seem to attract.
> Yes, it does sound like a good idea to send mail to Sun and see
>if we can improve the signalto noise ratio by having YOUR account
>removed or at least net access.
> Why is it that people tend to think that the solution is to cut
>access off for people whose comments they don’t like? Your comment
>may have been joking, but censorship is not a joke, besides
>why do you think that YOU have more of a right to have access
>than someone else does?
Give Bill a break. If you put all the pieces together, I would bet
money that the original poster is a 16-year-old who just got his
drivers’ license, posting on a Commodore 64. He displays an attitude
that explains many peoples’ feeling that sixteen is too early to get a
license. Bill is just pissed off ’cause people with attitudes like
that make the roads dangerous for everyone. I quite understand; every
so often somebody pulls a deliberately obnoxious, dangerous, bonehead
move on me, and it’s usually just after the high schools let out…
Not, of course, that I can see into Bill’s head. I’m merely putting
words into his mouth :->
Cordially,
-g
In response to comments from
Bill Dorsey to my comments on light
beams:
I hate to do this on a public
discussion on cars, and I hope this
can be the end of it, but I feel that
because it has been brought up, I must
put in my two-cents worth.. First off,
I am apalled by your senseless
comments. Around bbs’s near me,
sysops ask users to keep personal
feelings towards users out and
personal attacks out.. To me, a user
who cannot maintain self control in a
response to a post he disagrees with,
deserves the ax from the net more than
the person who voiced his opinon and
his reactions to a situation.. The
conclusions that were brough up by
this were outrageous.. your comments
not only are not well taken, but they
do not even apply to me.. to
stereotype teenagers and try to say
they should not be allowed access to a
net is even more apalling..
In summation.. (dealing with drivers
and posts and everything brought up in
these discussons), even if they things
I said I would do in certain
situations personally appall you, and
cause you to come to these conclusons,
I would realize that people like me
exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
you think it is extremely childish
(which of course I disagree with) and
terrible driving behavior, it exists
and should be aware of.. There is no
reason I shouldnt express my
reactions, when others probably share
the same feelings..
Thank you all for your patience..
In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
> In response to comments from
>Bill Dorsey to my comments on light
>beams:
[particulars deleted]
I was impressed with the rationality and self-control with which you posted
this.
I have a question, though: why don’t you apply that same rationality and
control to situations you encounter when driving? Thinking about it from
an emotional standpoint, it’s easy to say "Yeah, flash the fucker!" But, if
you look at it analytically, you might decide that, all things considered, that
satisfying feeling of power you get from traumatizing an annoying driver really
isn’t worth the risk you take. Consider whether the annoyance you feel towards
the other person is something worth killing over. Is it worth taking a life?
Sure, that’ll probably never happen; chances are the other person will only
be scared and surprised. But…what if you DO end up killing them? What if
they are so shocked that they crash and die? Is that what you want? I don’t
know whether you’re willing to gamble in such a manner with other people’s
lives (I hope not, being one of the other people…), but I don’t see that it’s
worth it.
——————————————————————————
sunsh…@tybalt.caltech.edu Tom Sunshine Renner, Caltech, Pasadena, CA 91125
’86 VF500F Interceptor Glock 17
"I’ve only got one, and I need it; you can’t have it."
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In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris)
writes:
|>
|> In response to comments from
|> Bill Dorsey to my comments on light
|> beams:
|> I hate to do this on a public
Then don’t.
|> discussion on cars, and I hope this
|> can be the end of it, but I feel that
|> because it has been brought up, I must
|> put in my two-cents worth.. First off,
|> I am apalled by your senseless
|> comments. Around bbs’s near me
I didn’t think they where senseless.
|> sysops ask users to keep personal
|> feelings towards users out and
|> personal attacks out.. To me, a user
|> who cannot maintain self control in a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He had more than I would have.
|> response to a post he disagrees with,
|> deserves the ax from the net more than
|> the person who voiced his opinon and
|> his reactions to a situation.. The
|> conclusions that were brough up by
|> this were outrageous.. your comments
|> not only are not well taken, but they
|> do not even apply to me.. to
I like this part its the offended person saying "NO! I can’t be THAT bad!"
|> stereotype teenagers and try to say
|> they should not be allowed access to a
|> net is even more apalling..
Ahhh! BUT he was right you are a teenager!! Its kinda like driving no matter
what age limit you set there will still be brain dead people out there abusing
the privilege.
|> In summation.. (dealing with drivers
|> and posts and everything brought up in
|> these discussons), even if they things
|> I said I would do in certain
|> situations personally appall you, and
If you ever did some of the stuff you described to me I would be very pissed.
Shining high beems at someone or using the hand lamp is a very good way
to cause
an accident.
|> cause you to come to these conclusons,
|> I would realize that people like me
|> exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
And people like you are one of the reasons I don’t enjoy driving as much as I
could.
|> you think it is extremely childish
|> (which of course I disagree with) and
Yes it is childish.
|> terrible driving behavior, it exists
|> and should be aware of.. There is no
The fact that bad driving behavior exists does not make it legitimate.
At least you admit you drive and act like a jerk.
|> reason I shouldnt express my
|> reactions, when others probably share
|> the same feelings..
|> Thank you all for your patience..
Laszlo Nemeth
las…@boulder.colorado.edu
"Nothing is as over rated as a bad f*ck or as under rated as a good sh*t."
"hey – my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From e…@Sun.COM
DoD #0666 UID #1999
In article <1991Feb22.070527.16…@nntp-server.caltech.edu> sunsh…@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Lord of Light) writes:
>Sure, that’ll probably never happen; chances are the other person will only
>be scared and surprised. But…what if you DO end up killing them? What if
>they are so shocked that they crash and die? Is that what you want?
Yes! If someone is that easily spooked while behind the wheel,
they deserve to (as Joe put it) be called home for dinner by
Father Darwin. Think of it as a natural weeding-out process
of the genetically unfit — an existential organic chemistry
course, as it were. :^)
Geoff
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This message is in response to a
message wondering why my driving
decisions can be so irrational, while
my posting may not..
Well.. Your points are well
taken..Very well indeed.. the post I
made originally may have seemed
exaggerated, or may have been viewed
in the wrong way.. In truth , while I
do these things sometimes, it is not
something I do regularly, and that I
take advantage of.. I WILL NOT blind
somebody around a killer turn, nor PA
somebody in a busy intersection.. Your
comments about, ‘Is it really worth
it?’ are well taken.. You are
correct.. These things can lead into
accidents and in the long run it could
cause me to think ‘was it really worth
it?’ possibly leading to the reasons
why this activity is illegal..
Well.. I must say, the reactions I
see have stunned me. I didnt expect
such reactions, but now I am in better
understanding of a consensus of
drivers and how the feel about these
such things…
Gary Morris–Iron Castle BBS—
Northern New Jersey—
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In article <GORDON.91Feb19114…@fish.oracle.com> gor…@oracle.com (Gordon Prioreschi) writes:
>In article <13…@hacgate.UUCP> sandb…@ipla01.hac.com (K. M. Sandberg) writes:
>> In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
>>>In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
>>>…
>Give Bill a break. If you put all the pieces together, I would bet
>money that the original poster is a 16-year-old who just got his
>drivers’ license, posting on a Commodore 64. He displays an attitude
>that explains many peoples’ feeling that sixteen is too early to get a
>license. Bill is just pissed off ’cause people with attitudes like
>that make the roads dangerous for everyone. I quite understand; every
>so often somebody pulls a deliberately obnoxious, dangerous, bonehead
>move on me, and it’s usually just after the high schools let out…
>Not, of course, that I can see into Bill’s head. I’m merely putting
>words into his mouth :->
I don’t care if the original poster is 16 or 61, uses a Commodore 64
or a Cray, it still is wrong to make assumptions, use personal attacks
and threaten to try to get net access revoked because you don’t like
what they are saying. You will notice that I did not mention
whether I agreed with what the orignal poster said because
my response was an object to Bill’s post. If he had said that
it is not a good idea to yell at people on a PA, etc. I would
not have responded. Bill’s comments were in my opinion WRONG.
True bad attitudes make the road bad for everyone, yanking net
access does not solve that does it? Claiming that the user
is using a C-64 has a lot to do with the subject and go real
far to explain the errors of his ways. Bill’s attitude is
just as bad, if not worse as he seems to think it is
acceptable to cut off net access to someone. Maybe paying
a fee would solve that, do you want that? Or just who decides
who is acceptable for the net?
Ignore the original post for a second and just look at Bill’s response.
Do you find it acceptable? Is this the type of article you want
to see? If he had not made personal and uncalled for personal
attacks, I would not have responded. Think about it.
Kemasa.
—
It would be interesting if people would listen to what they are saying,
but then again others are not listening either, so why should they?
e-mail address: sandb…@ipla01.hac.com
In article <5…@male.EBay.Sun.COM> geo…@purplehaze.EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>In article <1991Feb22.070527.16…@nntp-server.caltech.edu> sunsh…@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Lord of Light) writes:
>>Sure, that’ll probably never happen; chances are the other person will only
>>be scared and surprised. But…what if you DO end up killing them? What if
>>they are so shocked that they crash and die? Is that what you want?
> Yes! If someone is that easily spooked while behind the wheel,
> they deserve to (as Joe put it) be called home for dinner by
> Father Darwin. Think of it as a natural weeding-out process
> of the genetically unfit — an existential organic chemistry
> course, as it were. :^)
However, the original poster said:
>…
>this.. For one.. I have an emergency ****
>super-strong lamp with a cigarrette ****
>lighter attachment.. if someone has ****
>their brights in my face (typically ****
>behind me when I cannot conventionally ****
>bright them back) I turn the lamp and ****
>blind them that way..Either that, or ****
>my windhield fluid squirts right over
>my car and nails the one behind me…
>My PA system does wonders also..
>mainly for people who cut me off..
>Its nice to always be prepared..
>…
The original poster wanted to shine a spotlight into the other
driver’s eyes. Such an action surely would cause an accident and is
VERY illegal.
We aren’t just talking about being spooked behind the wheel.
If the original poster were in front of me and he pulled the spotlight
stunt against another driver, I wouldn’t take the law into my own hands,
but I would get his license plate number, a full description of the car
and driver and follow him as long as possible or until I could drum up
a bear on my CB.
I agree with the original reply to this letter. Keep *ssh*l*s like this
off the roads. I think in addition to the regular driver’s test there
should also be an attitude test. It isn’t driving skill (or the lack of
it) that gets many people injured, its having attitude problems.
bjm
ps. Yes, I was a teenager once, but a reasonable one. I was a real jerk
sometimes (still am every now and then, but aren’t we all?). But I
knew the limits of safety and I knew not to put other people in danger.
pps. My ‘philosophy’ of highbeam use is: "If I can see another car,
then I’m too close to use highbeams." (Unless the car ahead of
me is a few miles away on long lonely highways.) If I want a
car to move lanes, I flick my highbeams off and on. I’ve found
that has a success rate 10 times flashing my highbeams.
–
Bret J. Musser — Carnegie-Mellon University — finger b…@f.gp.cs.cmu.edu
"The more perfect civilization is, the less occasion has it for government…"
— Thomas Paine
re: my reply to highbeams
dang blast it. made a small typo.
pps. The best way I’ve found to move people over (when stuck
in the fast lane) or when they’ve got their high’s stuck
on, is to flash my LOWbeams off and on. My personal
philosophy about HIGHbeam use is "If I can see another
car, I’m too close."
bjm
—
Bret J. Musser — Carnegie-Mellon University — finger b…@f.gp.cs.cmu.edu
"The more perfect civilization is, the less occasion has it for government…"
— Thomas Paine
>|>
>|> In response to comments from
>|> Bill Dorsey to my comments on light
>|> beams:
>|> I hate to do this on a public
>Then don’t.
Follow your own advice.
>|> discussion on cars, and I hope this
>|> can be the end of it, but I feel that
>|> because it has been brought up, I must
>|> put in my two-cents worth.. First off,
>|> I am apalled by your senseless
>|> comments. Around bbs’s near me
>I didn’t think they where senseless.
Parts of them weren’t. There are better ways to prove a point. Trying to pull
a sites feed because a users post (which broke no rules) rubbed your fur the
wrong way is far more annoying and childish than someone flashing their
high-beams at you…
>|> sysops ask users to keep personal
>|> feelings towards users out and
>|> personal attacks out.. To me, a user
>|> who cannot maintain self control in a
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>He had more than I would have.
Is this your idea of telling us you would have control over your reactions if
some butt-head annoyed you on the road? Your reactions here make it seem like
you would quite possibly curse the offender out, or high-beam him yourself.
>|> response to a post he disagrees with,
>|> deserves the ax from the net more than
>|> the person who voiced his opinon and
>|> his reactions to a situation.. The
>|> conclusions that were brough up by
>|> this were outrageous.. your comments
>|> not only are not well taken, but they
>|> do not even apply to me.. to
>I like this part its the offended person saying "NO! I can’t be THAT bad!"
Oh really? I don’t read that up there myself… perhaps I quoted the wrong
post?
>|> stereotype teenagers and try to say
>|> they should not be allowed access to a
>|> net is even more apalling..
>Ahhh! BUT he was right you are a teenager!! Its kinda like driving no matter
>what age limit you set there will still be brain dead people out there
>abusing
>the privilege.
Yeah… he’s a teenager. What’s your excuse?
>|> In summation.. (dealing with drivers
>|> and posts and everything brought up in
>|> these discussons), even if they things
>|> I said I would do in certain
>|> situations personally appall you, and
>If you ever did some of the stuff you described to me I would be very pissed.
>Shining high beems at someone or using the hand lamp is a very good way
>to cause
>an accident.
Yes… we have already been through this.
>|> cause you to come to these conclusons,
>|> I would realize that people like me
>|> exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
>And people like you are one of the reasons I don’t enjoy driving as much as I
>could.
Perhaps if you switched to de-caff…
>|> you think it is extremely childish
>|> (which of course I disagree with) and
>Yes it is childish.
You would know…
>|> terrible driving behavior, it exists
>|> and should be aware of.. There is no
>The fact that bad driving behavior exists does not make it legitimate.
>At least you admit you drive and act like a jerk.
You on the other hand…
>|> reason I shouldnt express my
>|> reactions, when others probably share
>|> the same feelings..
>|> Thank you all for your patience..
>Laszlo Nemeth
>las…@boulder.colorado.edu
>"Nothing is as over rated as a bad f*ck or as under rated as a good sh*t."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh yes… this is the perfect ending to your post preaching about someone
acting like a child.
>"hey – my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From e…@Sun.COM
>DoD #0666 UID #1999
People, whether a person’s opinion is right or wrong, that person still has
the right to voice it. I’m sure all of you wagging the accusing fingers lead
saintly lives, and have never done anything assinine or moronic in your lives.
Certainly you NEVER break any laws of the street such as exceeding the speed
limit… ("Thats a good way to cause an accident…")
If all you’re looking for is someone to yell at, there are plenty of moron’s
just begging for it on alt.flame
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In article <13…@hacgate.UUCP> sandb…@ipla01.hac.com (K. M. Sandberg) writes:
]I don’t care if the original poster is 16 or 61, uses a Commodore 64
]or a Cray, it still is wrong to make assumptions, use personal attacks
]and threaten to try to get net access revoked because you don’t like
]what they are saying. You will notice that I did not mention
]whether I agreed with what the orignal poster said because
]my response was an object to Bill’s post. If he had said that
]it is not a good idea to yell at people on a PA, etc. I would
]not have responded. Bill’s comments were in my opinion WRONG.
]
Everyone makes assumptions everyday. When a car is stopped by the side
of the road with the hood up, do you assume that the driver has everything
under control and doesn’t need your help, or do you assume that the driver
could use a hand and stop to help? When your car starts making funny noises
as you’re driving down the highway, do you assume that you can make it to
the next exit safely, or do you assume that it requires immediate attention
and pull over right away? When someone else makes an assumption that you
disagree with, do you assume that they are wrong and you are right, or do
you consider the possibility that what’s reasonable for them differs from
what’s reasonable for you?
My assumptions about what’s reasonable have served me well in the past, and
insofar as Mr. Morris is concerned, I do not believe I have strayed from my
own definition of reasonable. I stand by the assumptions that I made.
It was my intention to point out that the signal to noise ratio, or perhaps
I should refer to it as the noise to signal ratio, has become abyssmally
low (or high in the second case), and that we might ask ourselves why?
Those of us that have been around on the net for a number of years have
witnessed the steady decline of useful information on various groups and
the steady increase of diatribe. I believe the cause of this not to be
related to the increase in the number of internet sites, but to be related
to the type of sites now being granted access to usenet and internet. I
am aware of a multitude of mailing lists that are now in existence for the
sole purpose of avoiding all the noise in netnews. This is precisely what
netnews is designed to avoid. I can forsee a time when netnews, having
degenerated into a collection of wasteful postings, will have lost all of
its serious posters to mailing lists.
]True bad attitudes make the road bad for everyone, yanking net
]access does not solve that does it? Claiming that the user
]is using a C-64 has a lot to do with the subject and go real
]far to explain the errors of his ways. Bill’s attitude is
]just as bad, if not worse as he seems to think it is
]acceptable to cut off net access to someone. Maybe paying
]a fee would solve that, do you want that? Or just who decides
]who is acceptable for the net?
]
The purpose behind yanking net access obviously has nothing to do with
making the roads better for anyone. It has everything to do with making
the net a better place for those of us that have forged it and have been
making use of it for many years. Universities and corporations involved
in technical ventures have been the traditional venue for the internet,
and I, for one, am in favor of keeping it that way.
]Ignore the original post for a second and just look at Bill’s response.
]Do you find it acceptable? Is this the type of article you want
]to see? If he had not made personal and uncalled for personal
]attacks, I would not have responded. Think about it.
]
How can you ignore the original post and attempt to judge my post without
ignoring causality? To judge my post without taking into account its
cause is akin to judging one who kills a burglar who has invaded one’s
home and threatened one’s life a murderer.
- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
[oodles deleted]
>To judge my post without taking into account its
>cause is akin to judging one who kills a burglar who has invaded one’s
>home and threatened one’s life a murderer.
A-HA! Now here’s a topic worthy of rec.autos.driving…. Let the flame war
commence.
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sunsh…@tybalt.caltech.edu Tom Sunshine Renner, Caltech, Pasadena, CA 91125
’86 VF500F Interceptor Glock 17
"I’ve only got one, and I need it; you can’t have it."
"It’s a kind of magic…"
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In article <iknight.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ikni…@irncastl.UUCP (Harry Banker) writes:
]>|> discussion on cars, and I hope this
]>|> can be the end of it, but I feel that
]>|> because it has been brought up, I must
]>|> put in my two-cents worth.. First off,
]>|> I am apalled by your senseless
]>|> comments. Around bbs’s near me
]>
]>I didn’t think they where senseless.
]
]Parts of them weren’t. There are better ways to prove a point. Trying to pull
]a sites feed because a users post (which broke no rules) rubbed your fur the
]wrong way is far more annoying and childish than someone flashing their
]high-beams at you…
]
Gary wasn’t just talking about high-beams. He was bragging about the PA
system he has in his car that he, "makes use of," when he is cut off. Even
worse, he talks about his hand-held spotlight he, "makes use of," when
someone flashes their high-beams at him from behind.
See my earlier post where I make a point for denying usenet access to public
domain bulletin board systems.
]>|> cause you to come to these conclusons,
]>|> I would realize that people like me
]>|> exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
]>
]>And people like you are one of the reasons I don’t enjoy driving as much as I
]>could.
]
]Perhaps if you switched to de-caff…
]
You ought to clue the rest of us in with a smiley when you’re trying to be
humorous.
]>
]>|> you think it is extremely childish
]>|> (which of course I disagree with) and
]>
]>Yes it is childish.
]
]You would know…
]
Is there a point to this, other than wasting people’s time and net
bandwidth?
] People, whether a person’s opinion is right or wrong, that person still has
]the right to voice it. [...]
]
Sure, in public. Not necessarily on Usenet.
- Bill Dorsey (dor…@eng.sun.com)
Well I was going to let this past but you deleted the "In article"
lines making it very hard to follow what was said by whom. So:
In article <iknight.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, ikni…@irncastl.UUCP (Harry
Banker) writes:
|> >|> discussion on cars, and I hope this
|> >|> can be the end of it, but I feel that
|> >|> because it has been brought up, I must
|> >|> put in my two-cents worth.. First off,
|> >|> I am apalled by your senseless
|> >|> comments. Around bbs’s near me
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is garym to bill dorsey
|> >
|> >I didn’t think they where senseless.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is me to garym
|> Parts of them weren’t. There are better ways to prove a point.
|> Trying to pull
|> a sites feed because a users post (which broke no rules) rubbed your
|> fur the
|> wrong way is far more annoying and childish than someone flashing
|> their
|> high-beams at you…
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is where you imply that bill dorsey wrote what I wrote or that I
wrote what bill dorsey wrote. (hope that makes sense).
|> >|> personal attacks out.. To me, a user
|> >|> who cannot maintain self control in a
|> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >He had more than I would have.
|>
|> Is this your idea of telling us you would have control over your
|> reactions if
|> some butt-head annoyed you on the road? Your reactions here make it
|> seem like
|> you would quite possibly curse the offender out, or high-beam him
|> yourself.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I do. So what? Everyone I know does. It causes no harm. The person that
offended you has (generally) no idea that you are calling them all
kinds
of nasty things and it lowers your stress.
|> >Ahhh! BUT he was right you are a teenager!! Its kinda like driving
|> no matter
|> >what age limit you set there will still be brain dead people out
|> there
|> >abusing
|> >the privilege.
|>
|> Yeah… he’s a teenager. What’s your excuse?
Ask anyone that knows me I don’t need an excuse.
|> >If you ever did some of the stuff you described to me I would be
|> very pissed.
|> >Shining high beems at someone or using the hand lamp is a very good
|> way
|> >to cause
|> >an accident.
|>
|> Yes… we have already been through this.
And I am just adding to it.
|> >|> cause you to come to these conclusons,
|> >|> I would realize that people like me
|> >|> exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
|> >
|> >And people like you are one of the reasons I don’t enjoy driving as
|> much as I
|> >could.
|>
|> Perhaps if you switched to de-caff…
Possiblly 3 accidents:
1) In parking lot get nailed by person while I was stoped
waiting for my passenger to get on (motorcycle).
2) avioding person by laying down motorcycle (they ran a stop
and kept on going (most painfull)).
3) getting rearended in pick up truck at stop light.
1 & 3 where teenagers, 2 was a younger person. IMHO these wouldn’t have
happened if the drivers test in the USA wasn’t a "slam bam thank you
mam" 5 second process to have a license to kill. Some people have been
likening driving to evolution in action, BUT the evolution should come
before the driving. IMHO.
|> >|> you think it is extremely childish
|> >|> (which of course I disagree with) and
|> >
|> >Yes it is childish.
|>
|> You would know…
You are right! My girlfriend agrees with you I am having too much fun
to be an adult…….
I will leave out your name calling because it is to childish to respond to.
|> >Laszlo Nemeth
|> >"Nothing is as over rated as a bad f*ck or as under rated as a good sh*t."
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Oh yes… this is the perfect ending to your post preaching about someone
|> acting like a child.
Now in this next paragraph we have more mis-representation of who said what.
|> People, whether a person’s opinion is right or wrong, that person
|> still has
|> the right to voice it. I’m sure all of you wagging the accusing
|> fingers lead
|> saintly lives, and have never done anything assinine or moronic in
|> your lives.
|> Certainly you NEVER break any laws of the street such as exceeding
|> the speed
|> limit… ("Thats a good way to cause an accident…")
I NEVER SAID HE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOICE HIS OPINION! Or that your anyone
should loose there news feed!
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|> Iron Knight (Harry Banker) /// Amiga…
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_____________________________________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^
And you are complaining about my signature?
If you still want to bitch move this to email.
Laszlo Nemeth
las…@boulder.colorado.edu
"Nothing is as over rated as a bad f*ck or as under rated as a good sh*t."
"hey – my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From e…@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks=free drugs"
DoD #0666 UID #1999
>pps. The best way I’ve found to move people over (when stuck
> in the fast lane) or when they’ve got their high’s stuck
> on, is to flash my LOWbeams off and on. My personal
The polite way to do this in Germany (and to a lesser extent in the UK)
is to turn your overtaking indicator on. This gives the person in front
the hint that you just aren’t following and that you want to pass with
out agressive headlamp flashing.
Incidentally, this technique has no effect at all in the US beyond making
those around you believe that you have accidentally left your indicator
on….
–
Craig Boyle
Dept. of Computer Science
Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77845
In article <iknight.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ikni…@irncastl.UUCP (Harry Banker) writes:
>>|> I hate to do this on a public
>>Then don’t.
> Follow your own advice.
This thread doesn’t need yet _another_ contributor, but here goes… ;->
>Trying to pull
>a sites feed because a users post (which broke no rules) rubbed your fur the
>wrong way is far more annoying and childish than someone flashing their
>high-beams at you…
I think _not_. Nasty words on your screen won’t kill you; a bright
light in your eyes at the wrong time just might.
I bet Bill was pissed ’cause he’s sick of high schoolers pulling
dangerous, immature, stupid stunts on the road (thus getting in the
way of us dangerous, immature, stupid computer professionals :-> ). I
have to sympathize, though I do think the flame was a bit premature.
‘Course, again, I can’t know what he was thinking — I’m just putting
words into his mouth.
> Is this your idea of telling us you would have control over your reactions if
>some butt-head annoyed you on the road?
^^^^ ^^^^
A very apt characterization of the original poster. My compliments.
>>I like this part its the offended person saying "NO! I can’t be THAT bad!"
> Oh really? I don’t read that up there myself… perhaps I quoted the wrong
>post?
I _do_ read that. This kind of butt-head (_your_ term) costs lives.
>>|> cause you to come to these conclusons,
>>|> I would realize that people like me
>>|> exist, and are on the roads.. Even if
>>And people like you are one of the reasons I don’t enjoy driving as much as I
>>could.
> Perhaps if you switched to de-caff…
Perhaps if he realized that "I yam what I yam" is one of the stupidest
excuses around. Sort of like "If you leave your radar detector on your
dash and it gets stolen it’s all your fault because you should know
that there are people like me around who will break your window and
take it." And you’re defending that attitude??
>I’m sure all of you wagging the accusing fingers lead
>saintly lives, and have never done anything assinine or moronic in your lives.
Of course we have. We simply attempt to learn from them, as opposed to
being buttheads about them. The attitude, "I’m doing this wrong, and
I’ll continue to do this wrong, and you’d all just better stay out of
my way, so THERE," is a typical pubescent attitude, and is therefore
by definition childish.
>Certainly you NEVER break any laws of the street such as exceeding the speed
>limit… ("Thats a good way to cause an accident…")
Yeah, right. How many times have we been through _that_ one?
> /// Amiga…
> /// There is NO
> /// Substitute!
> \\\///
> \XX/
I dunno… I like my SPARCstation, personally.
Cordially,
-g
In article <12…@pt.cs.cmu.edu> b…@f.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Bret Musser) writes:
> (…) My personal
> philosophy about HIGHbeam use is "If I can see another
> car, I’m too close."
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!
I can’t believe how many times cars a moderate (not right next to me, but not
that far behind either) distance behind me have kept their high beams on.
It’s happened when they were catching up to me and didn’t think they were too
close yet, or when I was moving away from them and they figured I had gotten
far enough ahead. They’re never right.
Even at a good distance the glare from high beams can be very annoying. I
can adjust my main rear view mirror, but I still get twin glares from the
two side mirrors.
My philosophy has also been to refrain from using high beams if I can see
another car, and think it makes a good general rule to follow.
–
— David
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In article <13…@hacgate.UUCP> sandb…@ipla01.hac.com (K. M. Sandberg) writes:
>In article <8…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dor…@ganges.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey) writes:
>>In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP> ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris) writes:
>>…
>>I’ll bet you feel real satisfied after getting on your PA system and
>>shouting obscenities at someone that pissed you off while you were
> [...blah blah blah...]
>>Maybe someone should send mail to whatever uucp site grants access to
>>the iron castle bbs and have their net access cut off. The signal
>>to noise ratio is already low enough without the kind of clientelle
>>such BBSs seem to attract.
>Yes, it does sound like a good idea to send mail to Sun and see
>if we can improve the signalto noise ratio by having YOUR account
>removed or at least net access.
Someone should send mail to hac.com and have this person’s net access cut
off also! I say, the hell with all of them! Cut them all off! Live free,
play your 5,000,000-watt stereo through your 20 18-inch subwoofers while
screaming obscenities out of your mobile PA system and don’t forget to shine
a 1,000,000,000 candlepower light (that you can plug into your lighter
socket) at all the drivers on the road, especially if you’re on the road
around, say 1:45AM to 2:20AM (right when the bars get out).
Just a happy motorcyclist driving my car today because of the rain.
mike
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