when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
understand.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/temp/US50speedo1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/temp/US50speedo2.JPG
Note which lane my car is in, and also please note that one was taken in
traffic therefore I wasn’t artificially speeding up to prove a point.
There’s only two conclusions one could draw; one is that everyone really
does speed and the other is that there’s a whole lot of drivers around
here that don’t KRETP. In reality, both are true, but I was the slowest
car on the road this AM. There are only three speed limit signs along
the stretch I drove this AM; I didn’t get the idea to have my passenger
hold the camera in front of the gauges and snap a pic until after we’d
passed the first one. (just happened to have my camera in the car today.)
So yes, 99+ percent of drivers on that road in free-flowing conditions
are exceeding the speed limit. period.
gratuitous pic, the gauge panel I’d rather be looking at:
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/55coupe/2006_01_01_252.JPG
nate
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> So yes, 99+ percent of drivers on that road in free-flowing conditions are
> exceeding the speed limit. period.
Yes, that means that you were driving somewhere in the U.S. This is not
news to anyone except for a few individuals who like to vehemently and
loudly deny reality, to push their own agendas, often that "speed kills" and
such bullshit like that. -Dave
"Nate Nagel" <njna…@flycast.net> wrote in message
> when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
> understand.
So you have a stretch of road with a 65 limit where most traffic does 70-80.
This is not news anywhere. I don’t grasp your point.
In article <G-KdnUsZ4MMsOl3enZ2dnUVZ_tWdn…@comcast.com>, John Gaquin wrote:
> "Nate Nagel" <njna…@flycast.net> wrote in message
>> when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
>> understand.
> So you have a stretch of road with a 65 limit where most traffic does 70-80.
> This is not news anywhere. I don’t grasp your point.
A number of people continue to deny this reality, his point was to
attempt to show that it is reality within the limitations of this forum
and a hosted image.
If I didn’t have other things to spend my money on, I’d put together a
video camera system to show much more dramatic things. Like MFFY driving
and 85mph averages in 55mph zones.
"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> If I didn’t have other things to spend my money on, I’d put together a
> video camera system to show much more dramatic things. Like MFFY driving
> and 85mph averages in 55mph zones.
Again, what would be the point? I don’t think there are any serious posters
who deny that such circumstances exist – in truth, they are the stuff of
everyday urban driving and are observed by virtually everyone on a regular
basis. What gets attention, and what has been the subject of many posts
here, is the fact that you, Dave, Scott, and perhaps a couple of others I’ve
forgotten, somehow allow these poor drivers to place you in crisis
situations with alarming regularity, and then make up names for them so you
can rail onward and feed your obsessions. We all know they are there, its
just that most of us can avoid them, somehow. Maybe we’re all just lucky.
In article <YOednTMUAa7aLV3enZ2dnUVZ_vudn…@comcast.com>, John Gaquin wrote:
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> If I didn’t have other things to spend my money on, I’d put together a
>> video camera system to show much more dramatic things. Like MFFY driving
>> and 85mph averages in 55mph zones.
> Again, what would be the point? I don’t think there are any serious posters
> who deny that such circumstances exist – in truth, they are the stuff of
> everyday urban driving and are observed by virtually everyone on a regular
> basis.
Yet those posting that they don’t see it have been here for some time.
> What gets attention, and what has been the subject of many posts
> here, is the fact that you, Dave, Scott, and perhaps a couple of others I’ve
> forgotten, somehow allow these poor drivers to place you in crisis
> situations with alarming regularity,
You are quite prone to exagaration aren’t you.
> and then make up names for them so you
> can rail onward and feed your obsessions. We all know they are there, its
> just that most of us can avoid them, somehow. Maybe we’re all just lucky.
You want to ride along and tell me what I am doing wrong?
I don’t recall you replying when I listed out a couple events in one trip
that I witnessed that didn’t even involve me. Especially the one where
the pickup towing a piece of earthmoving type equipment on a trailer
decided that he wanted the left lane of I90/94 illegally and just ran
the trailer towards another vehicle without signal to force his way over
in heavy traffic. I suppose that one was the fault of the driver in
front of me?
The last actual hard panic stop I had to make was when I was on a parking
lot rim road. The road I was on curved around to the left. To the right
there was a building and on the far side of that building, an enterance
that was blind to me. I decided to slow down to about 15mph at this point
because I felt some idiot was going to come zooming around without even
stopping. Guess what? A pick up comes right in front of me, I nail the
brakes as he hooks a turn to his left nearly hitting the front left
corner of my ’73.
Explain how this was my fault. I’d love to hear it.
>> If I didn’t have other things to spend my money on, I’d put together a
>> video camera system to show much more dramatic things. Like MFFY driving
>> and 85mph averages in 55mph zones.
> Again, what would be the point? I don’t think there are any serious
> posters who deny that such circumstances exist – in truth, they are the
> stuff of everyday urban driving and are observed by virtually everyone on
> a regular basis.
Is jaybird reading this? -Dave
"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> What gets attention,…. somehow allow these poor drivers to place you
>> in >> crisis situations with alarming regularity,
> You are quite prone to exagaration aren’t you.
Me? I don’t have a virtually endless stream of traffic horror stories.
>> just that most of us can avoid them, somehow. Maybe we’re all just
>> lucky. >
> You want to ride along and tell me what I am doing wrong?
Nice rhetorical touch, but one or more of you has tried it before.
> I don’t recall you replying when I listed out a couple events in one trip
> that I witnessed that didn’t even involve me. Especially the one where
> the pickup towing a piece of earthmoving type equipment on a trailer
> decided that he wanted the left lane of I90/94 illegally and just ran
> the trailer towards another vehicle without signal to force his way over
> in heavy traffic. I suppose that one was the fault of the driver in
> front of me?
I can’t reply to every one of your posts. There would be no point, as they
are all so similar. In the event you cite above, (I can’t find the
original) I believe you *did* consider yourself involved, as the events
described increased your waiting time at the light.
> The last actual hard panic stop I had to make was when I was on a parking
> lot rim road. The road I was on curved around to the left. To the right
> there was a building and on the far side of that building, an enterance
> that was blind to me. I decided to slow down to about 15mph at this point
> because I felt some idiot was going to come zooming around without even
> stopping. Guess what? A pick up comes right in front of me, I nail the
> brakes as he hooks a turn to his left nearly hitting the front left
> corner of my ’73.
I just can’t understand how these things manage to happen to you! I presume
this was an area that was very familiar to you, otherwise I would question
how you were able to anticipate an egress from a driveway that was blind to
you. Be that as it may – by your own account you observed, you anticipated,
you reduced speed, — and you still managed to get surprised. Maybe your
writing style unintentionally lends an hyperbolic aspect to your prose. I
can’t figure it.
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:37:58 -0500, Nate Nagel <njna…@flycast.net>
wrote:
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>when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
>understand.
>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/temp/US50speedo1.JPG
>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/temp/US50speedo2.JPG
>Note which lane my car is in, and also please note that one was taken in
>traffic therefore I wasn’t artificially speeding up to prove a point.
>There’s only two conclusions one could draw; one is that everyone really
>does speed and the other is that there’s a whole lot of drivers around
>here that don’t KRETP. In reality, both are true, but I was the slowest
>car on the road this AM. There are only three speed limit signs along
>the stretch I drove this AM; I didn’t get the idea to have my passenger
>hold the camera in front of the gauges and snap a pic until after we’d
>passed the first one. (just happened to have my camera in the car today.)
>So yes, 99+ percent of drivers on that road in free-flowing conditions
>are exceeding the speed limit. period.
>gratuitous pic, the gauge panel I’d rather be looking at:
>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel/images/55coupe/2006_01_01_252.JPG
>nate
If bank robbery was punished by a $200 fine, everyone would be a bank
robber too. Americans are a selfish amoral MFFY people who always do
what they want unless there is a big risk to it. Let’s stop coddling
the killer speeders. If people knew speeding would put them in prison
they wouldn’t do it.
In article <B4qdnaOoLv8cxVzeRVn…@comcast.com>, John Gaquin wrote:
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> What gets attention,…. somehow allow these poor drivers to place you
>>> in >> crisis situations with alarming regularity,
>> You are quite prone to exagaration aren’t you.
> Me? I don’t have a virtually endless stream of traffic horror stories.
There you go again.
>>> just that most of us can avoid them, somehow. Maybe we’re all just
>>> lucky. >
>> You want to ride along and tell me what I am doing wrong?
> Nice rhetorical touch, but one or more of you has tried it before.
It would make things too obvious for you to deny…
>> I don’t recall you replying when I listed out a couple events in one trip
>> that I witnessed that didn’t even involve me. Especially the one where
>> the pickup towing a piece of earthmoving type equipment on a trailer
>> decided that he wanted the left lane of I90/94 illegally and just ran
>> the trailer towards another vehicle without signal to force his way over
>> in heavy traffic. I suppose that one was the fault of the driver in
>> front of me?
> I can’t reply to every one of your posts. There would be no point, as they
> are all so similar. In the event you cite above, (I can’t find the
> original) I believe you *did* consider yourself involved, as the events
> described increased your waiting time at the light.
There are no traffic lights on I(nterstate)90/94
>> The last actual hard panic stop I had to make was when I was on a parking
>> lot rim road. The road I was on curved around to the left. To the right
>> there was a building and on the far side of that building, an enterance
>> that was blind to me. I decided to slow down to about 15mph at this point
>> because I felt some idiot was going to come zooming around without even
>> stopping. Guess what? A pick up comes right in front of me, I nail the
>> brakes as he hooks a turn to his left nearly hitting the front left
>> corner of my ’73.
> I just can’t understand how these things manage to happen to you! I presume
> this was an area that was very familiar to you, otherwise I would question
> how you were able to anticipate an egress from a driveway that was blind to
> you.
First and only time I’ve ever driven that stretch. I knew the enterance
was there because I pass it on the main road.
> Be that as it may – by your own account you observed, you anticipated,
> you reduced speed, — and you still managed to get surprised. Maybe your
> writing style unintentionally lends an hyperbolic aspect to your prose. I
> can’t figure it.
Surprised? Who said anything about surprise? I had to stop in X number
of feet and did. That required what is called a ‘panic stop’ of jaming
my foot hard on to the pedal. I think you read what you want to.
Still, how was this my fault? How did I bring this on myself? That’s
your arguement, that I bring it on to myself. That it isn’t that there
are simply a bunch of MFFY drivers around here….
So, what did I do wrong, smart guy?
Nate Nagel wrote:
> when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
> understand.
> There’s only two conclusions one could draw; one is that everyone really
> does speed and the other is that there’s a whole lot of drivers around
> here that don’t KRETP.
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Hard to tell from a still pic what’s happening but… I’ll take your
word for it. I’m the sloth in the R lane at the speed limit or maybe 5
over.
IMO… KRETP is one of the most observed traffic laws in the country…
just judging by how so many drivers almost take my L fender off in
their haste to return to the R lane…
"Peoples is stupid"…
—–
- gpsman
Dave wrote:
> > So yes, 99+ percent of drivers on that road in free-flowing conditions are
> > exceeding the speed limit. period.
> Yes, that means that you were driving somewhere in the U.S. This is not
> news to anyone except for a few individuals who like to vehemently and
> loudly deny reality, to push their own agendas, often that "speed kills" and
> such bullshit like that. -Dave
Amen to that! Even in the days of the draconian 55 traffic was always
over the posted in rural areas.
Harry K
John Gaquin wrote:
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> What gets attention,…. somehow allow these poor drivers to place you
> >> in >> crisis situations with alarming regularity,
> > You are quite prone to exagaration aren’t you.
> Me? I don’t have a virtually endless stream of traffic horror stories.
Oddly enough I had an experience this AM that made me think of this
thread… was stuck behind a Toyota Corolla doing 45 in a 55 this
AM… couldn’t get out of the right lane because a) my exit was coming
up and b) there was a big semi truck passing me slowly on the left
anyway. So anyhow, as I approach my exit, the Corolla driver puts on
her left turn signal, which confuses me a little, as there’s nowhere
for her to go until the semi completes its pass. I take my exit
anyway, and am just abreast of the Corolla when she COMES RIGHT OVER
INTO THE OFFRAMP, left turn signal still blinking the whole time! I
take to the shoulder, lay on the horn and stare straight into her
uncomprehending, bovine face as she tries to figure out where my car
came from. (I passed you because you were driving so slow, you dumb
cunt,)
some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive, if I hadn’t regularly
experienced driver stupidity around here, I would think that she was
actively trying to get me to run into her.
nate
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gpsman wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote:
> > when I say things like "everyone speeds where I live" this may help you
> > understand.
> > There’s only two conclusions one could draw; one is that everyone really
> > does speed and the other is that there’s a whole lot of drivers around
> > here that don’t KRETP.
> —–
> Hard to tell from a still pic what’s happening but… I’ll take your
> word for it. I’m the sloth in the R lane at the speed limit or maybe 5
> over.
> IMO… KRETP is one of the most observed traffic laws in the country…
> just judging by how so many drivers almost take my L fender off in
> their haste to return to the R lane…
where do you live? That’s the exact opposite of what happens here;
people tend to merge into the middle lane before they’re even up to
speed here (metro DC) often cutting off through traffic in the process.
nate
In article <1136814078.064309.257…@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, N8N wrote:
> gpsman wrote:
>> IMO… KRETP is one of the most observed traffic laws in the country…
>> just judging by how so many drivers almost take my L fender off in
>> their haste to return to the R lane…
> where do you live? That’s the exact opposite of what happens here;
> people tend to merge into the middle lane before they’re even up to
> speed here (metro DC) often cutting off through traffic in the process.
He just "forgot" to mention the LLB that’s just in front and to the left of
him.
Brent P wrote:
> In article <1136814078.064309.257…@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, N8N wrote:
> > gpsman wrote:
> >> IMO… KRETP is one of the most observed traffic laws in the country…
> >> just judging by how so many drivers almost take my L fender off in
> >> their haste to return to the R lane…
> > where do you live? That’s the exact opposite of what happens here;
> > people tend to merge into the middle lane before they’re even up to
> > speed here (metro DC) often cutting off through traffic in the process.
> He just "forgot" to mention the LLB that’s just in front and to the left of
> him.
Heh, I can surely see that. LLBs certainly make life less safe for
faster and slower drivers alike.
nate
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N8N wrote:
> John Gaquin wrote:
>>"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> What gets attention,…. somehow allow these poor drivers to place you
>>>>in >> crisis situations with alarming regularity,
>>>You are quite prone to exagaration aren’t you.
>>Me? I don’t have a virtually endless stream of traffic horror stories.
> Oddly enough I had an experience this AM that made me think of this
> thread… was stuck behind a Toyota Corolla doing 45 in a 55 this
> AM… couldn’t get out of the right lane because a) my exit was coming
> up and b) there was a big semi truck passing me slowly on the left
> anyway. So anyhow, as I approach my exit, the Corolla driver puts on
> her left turn signal, which confuses me a little, as there’s nowhere
> for her to go until the semi completes its pass. I take my exit
> anyway, and am just abreast of the Corolla when she COMES RIGHT OVER
> INTO THE OFFRAMP, left turn signal still blinking the whole time! I
> take to the shoulder, lay on the horn and stare straight into her
> uncomprehending, bovine face as she tries to figure out where my car
> came from. (I passed you because you were driving so slow, you dumb
> cunt,)
> some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive, if I hadn’t regularly
> experienced driver stupidity around here, I would think that she was
> actively trying to get me to run into her.
> nate
…and I saw a bigass F*rd pickup plow into the back of a minivan in
traffic on 395 in DC on my way home. Stop and go traffic; no possible
excuse other than "wasn’t paying enough goddamn attention."
Fortunately, there was no trifecta; I’m in for the night.
nate
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"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> First and only time I’ve ever driven that stretch. I knew the enterance
> was there because I pass it on the main road.
So it was familiar to you.
>> Be that as it may – by your own account you observed, you anticipated,
>> you reduced speed, — and you still managed to get surprised. Maybe your
>> writing style unintentionally lends an hyperbolic aspect to your prose.
>> I
>> can’t figure it.
> Surprised? Who said anything about surprise? I had to stop in X number
> of feet and did. That required what is called a ‘panic stop’ of jaming
> my foot hard on to the pedal. I think you read what you want to.
If you had to use greater than normal braking action (your "panic stop" from
15mph), you were by definition surprised. If you were not surprised, then
you are implying that you knew the other driver was about to exit the
driveway, yet maintained your speed in the face of a known hazard. :-)
In article <466dnce3b4LMu17eRVn…@comcast.com>, John Gaquin wrote:
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> First and only time I’ve ever driven that stretch. I knew the enterance
>> was there because I pass it on the main road.
> So it was familiar to you.
In that I knew there was entrance around the other side of that building
somewheres….
>>> Be that as it may – by your own account you observed, you anticipated,
>>> you reduced speed, — and you still managed to get surprised. Maybe your
>>> writing style unintentionally lends an hyperbolic aspect to your prose.
>>> I
>>> can’t figure it.
>> Surprised? Who said anything about surprise? I had to stop in X number
>> of feet and did. That required what is called a ‘panic stop’ of jaming
>> my foot hard on to the pedal. I think you read what you want to.
> If you had to use greater than normal braking action (your "panic stop" from
> 15mph), you were by definition surprised. If you were not surprised, then
> you are implying that you knew the other driver was about to exit the
> driveway, yet maintained your speed in the face of a known hazard. :-)
I am simply trying to define the use of panic stop. I wasn’t surprised
as in your usage, because I was thinking an idiot might appear and had
taken precautionary action, which was reducing my speed.
I am begining to think you exist simply to pick nits.
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Brent P wrote:
> In article <466dnce3b4LMu17eRVn…@comcast.com>, John Gaquin wrote:
> > "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVET…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> First and only time I’ve ever driven that stretch. I knew the enterance
> >> was there because I pass it on the main road.
> > So it was familiar to you.
> In that I knew there was entrance around the other side of that building
> somewheres….
> >>> Be that as it may – by your own account you observed, you anticipated,
> >>> you reduced speed, — and you still managed to get surprised. Maybe your
> >>> writing style unintentionally lends an hyperbolic aspect to your prose.
> >>> I
> >>> can’t figure it.
> >> Surprised? Who said anything about surprise? I had to stop in X number
> >> of feet and did. That required what is called a ‘panic stop’ of jaming
> >> my foot hard on to the pedal. I think you read what you want to.
> > If you had to use greater than normal braking action (your "panic stop" from
> > 15mph), you were by definition surprised. If you were not surprised, then
> > you are implying that you knew the other driver was about to exit the
> > driveway, yet maintained your speed in the face of a known hazard. :-)
> I am simply trying to define the use of panic stop. I wasn’t surprised
> as in your usage, because I was thinking an idiot might appear and had
> taken precautionary action, which was reducing my speed.
> I am begining to think you exist simply to pick nits.
As an innocent bystander can I point out that in your own ways, you
were each right and any further arguing of this point will probably
just leave everyone looking stupid?
Dave Hogan
Dave in SD wrote: <brevity snip>
> As an innocent bystander can I point out that in your own ways, you
> were each right and any further arguing of this point will probably
> just leave everyone looking stupid?
> —–
LOL!
My GF said the other day we’re all stupid for wasting our time arguing
about this shit, especially me, the smartest man to ever live.
"It’s fun"… was all I could come up with…
—–
- gpsman