Last night, we had a heavy blizzard here in Northeast Ohio, driving on
my way to work this morning (this is my first drive after heavy snow),
I noticed that the three lane street only have two lanes of car and were
travelling at 20 mph or below (the limit is 35 mph). This seems logical
to me and I was driving cautiously, I skidded slightly twice (I was moving
forward and sidewards at the same time), I guess this is why the two lane
of cars on a three lane road.
But on several occasions, some maniacs will drive by at 35 mph zigzagging
through the traffic as if the road was in a summer day condition. I dont
see any chains on the tires of those cars . I cannot rationalize why
in the world would a sane person drive like that particularly with
6 to 8 inches of snow.
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In article <1991Feb15.125550.9…@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jx…@po.CWRU.Edu
(Jerry Sy) writes:
>But on several occasions, some maniacs will drive by at 35 mph zigzagging
>through the traffic as if the road was in a summer day condition. I dont
>see any chains on the tires of those cars . I cannot rationalize why
>in the world would a sane person drive like that particularly with
>6 to 8 inches of snow.
Nothing wrong with your rationality. Your assumptions are based on the other
person’s sanity, which is obviously lacking!
Actually, it’s more like a combination of lack of intelligence and lack of
consideration. I was driving along one snowy day at conservative speed
(maybe 30mph?) when a Suburu XT (you know, 4-wheel drive, they can go
*anywhere*, right?!) came blasting by at probably about 50mph. He hit a big
snow drift (the roads weren’t plowed well yet), slewed around, and just managed
to recover and get moving again before we would have hit him. Took off like
a rocket (again) and disappeared. What a jerk, he narrowly missed causing a
nice multi-car accident…
In article <1991Feb15.125550.9…@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> (Jerry Sy) writes:
Last night, we had a heavy blizzard here in Northeast Ohio, driving on
my way to work this morning (this is my first drive after heavy snow),
I noticed that the three lane street only have two lanes of car and were
travelling at 20 mph or below (the limit is 35 mph). This seems logical
to me and I was driving cautiously, I skidded slightly twice (I was moving
forward and sidewards at the same time), I guess this is why the two lane
of cars on a three lane road.
But on several occasions, some maniacs will drive by at 35 mph zigzagging
through the traffic as if the road was in a summer day condition. I dont
see any chains on the tires of those cars . I cannot rationalize why
in the world would a sane person drive like that particularly with
6 to 8 inches of snow.
My only comment here (As a New Yorker recently transplanted to Cin-city) is
that if NE Ohio is anything like here (People driving on Gatorbacks in the
winter) someone like me (on my Hakka-10′s) can get pretty annoyed at the
creepers. There’s a difference between cautious driving with the proper
equipment and skating within an inch of your life on tires never meant for the
conditions you are driving in. While I’d never condone "zigzagging" as I
perceive you mean it under ANY conditions (Especially inclement weather) it
should be noted that a safe speed for your vehicle and mine may not be even
remotely related. I’ve been in situations where, after a snowstorm, driving
the speed limit was not, in my opinion, "insane". Don’t paint both these
behaviors with the same brush, if you please.
– MM
Disclaimer: I neither believe in nor espouse the theory that AWD, 4WD
or good tires make you invulnerable. They do, however, in
certain situations reduce risks appreciably. End of sermon.
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This message is in response to a
message from somebody who felt that
different cars can handle roads
diffently in different weather
conditions, and felt that it is highly
possible after a big snowstorm for a
certain car to be able to handle the
road fine at the speed limit..
i hightly doubt that.. Possible,
with all the chains on the tires, and
big special huger grooves on tires
(sort of like the paddle type things
you see on quad-runners) it’s lightly
possible, but in the most part, in
snow, your braking distance is
EXTREMELY reduced.. It may be fine
to drive in a straight line down a
highway, but as soon as somebody else
who may not have such a fine car
slides in front of you, forget it,
there’s will be a slim chance of a
person going 30 miles per hour faster
to be able to avoid a collision..
In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris)
writes:
|>
|> This message is in response to a
|> message from somebody who felt that
|> different cars can handle roads
|> diffently in different weather
|> conditions, and felt that it is highly
|> possible after a big snowstorm for a
|> certain car to be able to handle the
|> road fine at the speed limit..
Yes very true. If you have a properly equiped vehicle.
|> i hightly doubt that.. Possible,
|> with all the chains on the tires, and
I think this is just a little to much. A good driver in
a good vehicle with 4 studed snows should have no problem.
|> big special huger grooves on tires
|> (sort of like the paddle type things
|> you see on quad-runners) it’s lightly
Personally would never use "impress the babes mud tires" for snow.
|> possible, but in the most part, in
|> snow, your braking distance is
|> EXTREMELY reduced.. It may be fine
Well yes but if you know what you are doing it isn’t a problem.
|> to drive in a straight line down a
|> highway, but as soon as somebody else
|> who may not have such a fine car
|> slides in front of you, forget it,
Assume I see them slide and react at the point they start sliding.
I WILL STOP BEFORE THEY DO!!!
Unless they it a telephone pole. When you are sliding it takes you longer
to stop.
|> there’s will be a slim chance of a
|> person going 30 miles per hour faster
|> to be able to avoid a collision..
I don’t know about you but I don’t come up behind people at 30 miles
faster then they are going.
Laszlo Nemeth
las…@boulder.colorado.edu
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From article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, by ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris):
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> This message is in response to a
> message from somebody who felt that
> different cars can handle roads
> diffently in different weather
> conditions, and felt that it is highly
> possible after a big snowstorm for a
> certain car to be able to handle the
> road fine at the speed limit..
> i hightly doubt that.. Possible,
> with all the chains on the tires, and
> big special huger grooves on tires
> (sort of like the paddle type things
> you see on quad-runners) it’s lightly
> possible, but in the most part, in
> snow, your braking distance is
> EXTREMELY reduced.. It may be fine
> to drive in a straight line down a
> highway, but as soon as somebody else
> who may not have such a fine car
> slides in front of you, forget it,
> there’s will be a slim chance of a
> person going 30 miles per hour faster
> to be able to avoid a collision..
Reminds of a story …
I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
no exceptions.
In article <1991Feb18.215407.16…@csn.org>, las…@cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
> In article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morris)
> writes:
> |>
> |> possible after a big snowstorm for a
> |> certain car to be able to handle the
> |> road fine at the speed limit..
>
> Yes very true. If you have a properly equiped vehicle.
That depends on the vehicle. I *USED* to own an ’82 Dodge Diplomat
Ex-Cop car. It was the WORST thing I have ever driven in snow. I had to
put studded snow tires on all four wheels just to drive carefully!
People would still get mad and honk at me when they passed me when I was
pushing the car to the point just below sliding on straight roads!
It sux! I now own an ’89 Honda Accord, and feel MUCH safer in the snow.
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. Last night, we had a heavy blizzard here in Northeast Ohio, driving on
. my way to work this morning (this is my first drive after heavy snow),
. I noticed that the three lane street only have two lanes of car and were
. travelling at 20 mph or below (the limit is 35 mph). This seems logical
. to me and I was driving cautiously, I skidded slightly twice (I was moving
. forward and sidewards at the same time), I guess this is why the two lane
. of cars on a three lane road.
.
. But on several occasions, some maniacs will drive by at 35 mph zigzagging
. through the traffic as if the road was in a summer day condition. I dont
. see any chains on the tires of those cars . I cannot rationalize why
. in the world would a sane person drive like that particularly with
. 6 to 8 inches of snow.
.
The solution is simple. If the slow traffic stays to the right, no
zig or even zag is necessary.
In article <1991Feb19.193813.29…@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
>a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
>covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
>hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
>no exceptions.
I have a theory that 4×4 and AWD vehicles are actually MORE dangerous in
snowy and icy conditions. How else can you explain the fact that every
time that I have gone skiing in the last 3 years (I lived in Calgary
Alberta) the only vehicles that I have seen off the road were 4x4s!
We get a lot of snow up at Sunshine Village (near Banff), and after
every snow, you’d be sure to see two 4wds in the ditch on the way up,
and one on the way down. Is it the 4×4? Naaaah… just the dorks
driving them who fly up the road, eager to get first tracks.
Next subject: cheese-eaters who pass bighorn sheep at 40mph.
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In article <1991Feb19.193813.29…@mmm.serc.3m.com>,
us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
d7d> From article <garym.3…@irncastl.UUCP>, by ga…@irncastl.UUCP (Gary Morr
In a previous article, us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) says:
>Reminds of a story …
>I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
>a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
>covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
>hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
>no exceptions.
I have read several follow up postings to this article already, I still
think that a car or a 4×4 won’t do good on a snowy/icy road.
I was just wondering, how good are those snowmobiles (e.g. like those I
see on tv/pictures used in north pole with wheels like tanks in Saudi
Arabia). Maybe those guys who were talking about driving up to speed
limit using the RIGHT vehicle are referring to this thing.
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In article <1991Feb20.194327.10…@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jx…@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy) writes:
|>
|> In a previous article, us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) says:
|>
|> >
|> >Reminds of a story …
|> >
|> >I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
|> >a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
|> >covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
|> >hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
|> >no exceptions.
|> >
|> I have read several follow up postings to this article already, I still
|> think that a car or a 4×4 won’t do good on a snowy/icy road.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I would much rather drive my 4×4 on a snowy/icy road
than any 2 wheel drive vehicle. Sure, there are 4×4′s in the ditch, but
that has nothing to do with the 4×4, it has to do with the person behind
the wheel. It doesn’t matter what you are driving, you still must have the
driving ability and the COMMON SENSE! Just because I have a 4 wheel drive
does not mean I am qualified to drive the speed limit. There is still a speed
at which I feel I no longer have control of the vehicle, naturally I stay
below that speed.
The gray ice that the first poster mentioned could be a different story though.
Around Christmas time I was driving in northern Wisconsin. It had rained one
night and turned to snow as the temperature dropped. The temperature remained
in the -20 to -10 degree range for about a week. The roads were real, real
icy and salt was ineffective at that temperature. I found that some 2 wheel
drive cars were more stable on the road than my 4×4. I felt myself drifting –
I couldn’t keep a straight line at about 35 mph. I think it had a lot to do
with the size of my tires, maybe less weight per sqaure inch of road contact
or something (I don’t know, I’m not a physicist). I did not feel the danger of
my rear-end coming around on me as a rear-wheel drive vehicle would, but it
just seemed to wander.
I am not backing down from what I originally said though, I would much rather
drive my 4×4 on snow/ice than any 2 wheel drive vehicle.
—
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Cray Research, Inc. (612) 683-5414
In article <49…@apple.Apple.COM>, jev…@Apple.COM (David Jevans) writes:
> In article <1991Feb19.193813.29…@mmm.serc.3m.com>
us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
> >I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
> >a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
> >covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
> >hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
> >no exceptions.
> I have a theory that 4×4 and AWD vehicles are actually MORE dangerous in
> snowy and icy conditions.
The problem is that many people think that having AWD increases the
coefficient of friction between their tires and the ground. It doesn’t,
it just allows a driver to apply power more evenly over 4 points instead of
2 to get through mucky spots.
John Reece
Not an Intel spokesman
jre…@yoyodyne.intel.com
In article <1991Feb19.193813.29…@mmm.serc.3m.com>, us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
> I was driving from Wisconsin to Minnesota on I-94 the day after
> a heavy snowstorm – the intersate was plowed but thick gray ice
> covered the entire driving surface. At the bottom of a slight
> hill at a slight corner was a full size 4×4 Blazer. Ice makes
> no exceptions.
Sounds familiar. Here in sunny, warm New England, on any snowy/icy/
otherwise slippery day, a fair percentage of the vehicles down in the
ditch or nose first into the guardrail with be 4×4′s of some description.
It’s because these people think, "Well, *I* paid all this money for a
4X4; I don’t need to worry about things like snow or ice, I can just
do 75 like I always do."
Wrong-o.
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In article <49…@apple.Apple.COM> jev…@Apple.COM (David Jevans) writes:
>In article <1991Feb19.193813.29…@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267…@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>I have a theory that 4×4 and AWD vehicles are actually MORE dangerous in
>snowy and icy conditions. How else can you explain the fact that every
>time that I have gone skiing in the last 3 years (I lived in Calgary
>Alberta) the only vehicles that I have seen off the road were 4x4s!
>We get a lot of snow up at Sunshine Village (near Banff), and after
>every snow, you’d be sure to see two 4wds in the ditch on the way up,
>and one on the way down. Is it the 4×4? Naaaah… just the dorks
>driving them who fly up the road, eager to get first tracks.
Being a 4X4 owner myself (Suzuki Vitara/Sidekick // Geo Tracker…so many
different badges), it seems to me that there is a market out there that buys
4WD vehicles for their perceived safety advantage, assuming that you can then
traverse anything in complete safety because you have 4WD. Unfortunately, this
is not so, since different terrain requires different driving skills and
different equipment, be it tyres or chains or extra equipment to use, such as
a winch in situations where a winch is safer than using the car’s power.
With a "I can do anything in my Bronco" attitude, there are bound to be
casualties. Or should that be "collateral damage".
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In article <162724.20…@timbuk.cray.com> de…@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker) writes:
>Around Christmas time I was driving in northern Wisconsin. It had rained one
>night and turned to snow as the temperature dropped. The temperature remained
>in the -20 to -10 degree range for about a week. The roads were real, real
>icy and salt was ineffective at that temperature. I found that some 2 wheel
>drive cars were more stable on the road than my 4×4. I felt myself drifting –
>I couldn’t keep a straight line at about 35 mph. I think it had a lot to do
> …
Christ, this kinda thing has happened in Pittsburgh I think 4 times in the
past year. It’s bloody scary having the road just completely freeze
under your tires (usually not noticed until the next stop sign or traffic
light).
On the PA Turnpike this happened last October. The highway was closed
in effect. Reportedly 5 hours some people were waiting… didn’t help
that the salt truck for the worst hill flipped over.
bjm
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In article <162724.20…@timbuk.cray.com> de…@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker) writes:
>In article <1991Feb20.194327.10…@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jx…@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy) writes:
{stuff deleted}
>Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I would much rather drive my 4×4 on a snowy/icy road
>than any 2 wheel drive vehicle. Sure, there are 4×4′s in the ditch, but
>that has nothing to do with the 4×4, it has to do with the person behind
>the wheel. It doesn’t matter what you are driving, you still must have the
>driving ability and the COMMON SENSE! Just because I have a 4 wheel drive
>does not mean I am qualified to drive the speed limit. There is still a speed
>at which I feel I no longer have control of the vehicle, naturally I stay
>below that speed.
Well Put
>
>The gray ice that the first poster mentioned could be a different story though.
>Around Christmas time I was driving in northern Wisconsin. It had rained one
>night and turned to snow as the temperature dropped. The temperature remained
>in the -20 to -10 degree range for about a week. The roads were real, real
>icy and salt was ineffective at that temperature. I found that some 2 wheel
>drive cars were more stable on the road than my 4×4. I felt myself drifting –
>I couldn’t keep a straight line at about 35 mph. I think it had a lot to do
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with the size of my tires, maybe less weight per sqaure inch of road contact
>or something (I don’t know, I’m not a physicist). I did not feel the danger of
>my rear-end coming around on me as a rear-wheel drive vehicle would, but it
>just seemed to wander.
Thats because in 4WD some of the less skilled drivers "horse" their 4×4
thus spinning all 4 wheels and loosing the traction. The same forces that
cause a fishtail skid on a rear-wheel car are in effect, but your front
wheels can counteract the fishtail much easier.
I would rather be in a 4×4 too, however some 4×4 drivers, especially
those who rarely use/need 4wd over-estimate the security of 4×4 traction
and fly around in severe snow as if the think they are glued to the road.
The worst (yes I know I’m generalising) are city yuppies in borderline snow
belt areas (such as Toronto) who rarely see country roads. Get these
morons out on the road for a ski weekend with the corporate buddies and
watch-out.
Bill
(a flame a day, keeps the boredom away)
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>I am not backing down from what I originally said though, I would much rather
>drive my 4×4 on snow/ice than any 2 wheel drive vehicle.
>–
>Dean Barker de…@cray.com
>Cray Research, Inc. (612) 683-5414
In response to the 4WD comments by dbie…@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au
>…complete safety because you have 4WD…
Unfortunately (as you said), people think that 4WD is the answer to
all their problems. A friend of mine recently side-swiped a tree in his
Cherokee and had $2500 of damage to the car. I own a Jeep and the one thing
that gets me is how the wranglers come with Good Year Wranglers and the
Cherokee’s come with STREET TIRES. (Michelins? dunno) I would think they
would at least offer a somewhat aggressive tread tire for people that are more
serious about their Jeep. My Jeep is an 88 (rather, bought Jul. 87– still an
AMC!) Wrangler and I only have 17.8k miles on it. I am planning on putting in
a 4" lift and 32×12.50 Dick Cepek Fun Countrys (maybe even the new 33×9.50
BFGoodrich Mud-Terrains)..
While I wait for my Wranglers (yuk) to wear out.. anyone have a lifted
wrangler? any problems?
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In article <2…@inews.intel.com> jre…@yoyodyne.intel.com (john reece) writes:
>In article <49…@apple.Apple.COM>, jev…@Apple.COM (David Jevans) writes:
>> I have a theory that 4×4 and AWD vehicles are actually MORE dangerous in
>> snowy and icy conditions.
>The problem is that many people think that having AWD increases the
>coefficient of friction between their tires and the ground. It doesn’t,
>it just allows a driver to apply power more evenly over 4 points instead of
>2 to get through mucky spots.
And most don’t know what kind of differential they’re using and whether
it makes any difference. A 4WD on patchy snow or ice without at least a
limited slip diff can be in a worse state as regards grip than a 2WD.
Fashion also dictates that modern flash 4WDs have fashionable wide
tyres, which worsens their performance on wet roads, mud, ice, snow,
etc., quite markedly. I used to live on a VERY steep hill. When the snow
was good enough for people to try skiing down it, it was entertaining to
watch yuppies in their fashionable wide-boot 4WDs quite unable to get
past the bottom of the hill, when ancient old 2CVs whizzed straight up
to the top with no difficulty.
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Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
/ hpctdpa:rec.autos.driving / dr…@irncastl.UUCP (Brian Bernstein) / 7:13 pm Feb 23, 1991 /
> AMC!) Wrangler and I only have 17.8k miles on it. I am planning on putting in
> a 4" lift and 32×12.50 Dick Cepek Fun Countrys (maybe even the new 33×9.50
^^^^^ ^^^^
WAY too wide perfect
> BFGoodrich Mud-Terrains)..
One of the best ways to ruin your traction is to put tires that are too
wide on your vehicle. Wider tires will have less pressure per square
inch contacting the ground. On icy/slick roads this spells disaster,
especially with the relatively light weight of your Wrangler. The 9.50
tire will greatly outperform the 12.50. 10.50 would be the widest tire
I would ever put on a CJ/YJ.
Rick
In article <a9kaX1w1…@halcyon.uucp>, halcyon!mysh…@sumax.seattleu.edu (Peter Bruinsma) writes:
Some deleted for brevity…
> and him. I decided to pull over onto the left shoulder, but at that
> moment he just began to PASS me via the left shoulder. Scared the heck
> out of me. He came right next to me, turned on his PA and shouted the
> following:
> "YOU SUNOVAB***, WHAT THE F*** DO YOU THINK YOU’RE DOING–GET THE
> HELL OUTTA MY WAY"
> Peter.
I guess the moral of the story is (as I was taught). If an Emergency
Vehicle comes up behind you with its Emergency Lights on… MOVE RIGHT.
I know it seems silly when you knew you were in the wrong and expected
him to stop you. BUT, you can never be 100% sure where they are going.
While I am on my soapbox, a few more things to keep in mind when being
stopped by the police. They don’t know you, so they don’t know your
intentions, therefore they are a bit nervous. SO, when they approach
your car have your window down, and keep your hands on the wheel where
they can see that there is no threat. Oh yeah, and have your ignition
turned off. If you have time to do so BEFORE they are at your window,
then get your license out and have it in hand. Otherwise wait until you
are asked, then tell them where it is before you start to retrieve it.
This is even more true in my case, since unlike most males, I carry a
purse. No I’m not Gay, I am tired of sitting on a thick wallet, and of
having too much in my pockets. So the last time I was pulled over, my
purse was on the floor in the back seat, which couldn’t be reached from
the drivers seat. I told the officer when he asked for my license, "Ok,
it’s in my bag in the back seat. I’ll have to get out to get it." which
gave him the opportunity to back away from my door. Anyway, the bottom
line is "he’s nervous too". Theres lots of weirdos out there. If you
want more information there are books on the subject, You may E-Mail me
for the names of the two which I have read, which were meant as Police
Training Books.
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Michael W. Randall "Drive like you’re awake." — Me
rand…@bcstec.boeing.com or mwr6182@skagway@bcsaic@uw-beaver
…!uunet!bcstec!randall I hereby disclaim everything (except Mom)
In article <1991Feb13.150908.24…@ecf.utoronto.ca> w…@ecf.toronto.edu (Peter Wong) writes:
>However, I’ve noticed in many states that officers often like to
>nail people from behind and consequently nab the last guy in the
>line of speeders. It seems there are more moving police cars (or they
>change positions much more often) when I drive on the Interstates. It
>also seems that the OPP will try to nail as many people as possible
>which includes nailing obvious speeders even while writing a ticket to
>someone already whereas I’ve watched and then followed speeders
>passing Georgia State Troopers at fairly high rates of speed
>as long as they were occupied. Can Americans confirm if this is
>regular practice?
From years of commuting to & from work via the NJTP, I can relate the
following observations:
In NJ, on the TP, if there is a group of cars all speeding, I have often seen
a cruiser pull out in pursuit, then slowly pass all the cars on the left,
before picking one with a NY or DE license plate to stop. If there are seven
or eight cars, the drivers with the Jersey plates are usually left untouched.
As regards writing tickets while watching for other speeders, I could believe
that of the NJTP police. What you _should_ do is slow down to a "safe" (65?)
speed until well past the situation. Of course, if the trooper is actually
out of his vehicle, there’s no problem unless you’re outpacing the other
traffic by 20mph!
Grant
In article <a9kaX1w1…@halcyon.uucp>,
halcyon!mysh…@sumax.seattleu.edu (Peter Bruinsma) writes:
> . . .
> He was right on my tail and wouldn’t let me slow down. When I slowed down
> he came even closer. There can’t have been more than 10 feet between me
> and him. I decided to pull over onto the left shoulder, but at that
> moment he just began to PASS me via the left shoulder. Scared the heck
> out of me. He came right next to me, turned on his PA and shouted the
> following:
> "YOU SUNOVAB***, WHAT THE F*** DO YOU THINK YOU’RE DOING–GET THE
> HELL OUTTA MY WAY"
> And he took of in pusuit of the car I’d been with for the last hour.
> You can imagine I was shaking pretty good for the next five minutes…
Pardon my ignorance, if I’ve misinterpreted the situation, but why didn’t you
move from the left lane to the right lane when the police car came up behind
you? Whether he was after you or someone else that was the safe and
expected thing for you to do.
Michael Condict
OSF Research Inst.
Grenoble, France
In article <1…@mururoa.imag.fr>, cond…@mirabeau.osf.fr (Michael
Condict) writes:
|> In article <a9kaX1w1…@halcyon.uucp>,
|> halcyon!mysh…@sumax.seattleu.edu (Peter Bruinsma) writes:
|> > . . .
|> > He was right on my tail and wouldn’t let me slow down. When I slowed down
|> > he came even closer. There can’t have been more than 10 feet between me
|> > and him. I decided to pull over onto the left shoulder, but at that
|> > moment he just began to PASS me via the left shoulder. Scared the heck
|> > out of me. He came right next to me, turned on his PA and shouted the
|> > following:
|> > "YOU SUNOVAB***, WHAT THE F*** DO YOU THINK YOU’RE DOING–GET THE
|> > HELL OUTTA MY WAY"
|> > And he took of in pusuit of the car I’d been with for the last hour.
|> > You can imagine I was shaking pretty good for the next five minutes…
|> >
|>
|> Pardon my ignorance, if I’ve misinterpreted the situation, but why
didn’t you
|> move from the left lane to the right lane when the police car came up behind
|> you? Whether he was after you or someone else that was the safe and
|> expected thing for you to do.
|>
It isn’t clear to me that this would be either safe or expected in all
situations. If the lane(s) to the right were full of traffic, it might be
better to get off on the left. The same applies to clearing a path for
an emergency vehicle trying to get through. The object of safety
implies that you don’t do anything to surprise others around you (including
the police).
Driving habits driffer across the country. In some areas, the expected
behavior on a multi-lane divided highway is to pull onto the CLOSEST
shoulder.
One point that I haven’t seen mentioned is turn signals. Did the
original poster signal before starting to pull over?
In my occaissonal encounters with highway police, I have made it a point
to let the officer know exactly what I was doing. Remember that these
people do face a real danger of getting shot in a routine traffic
stop if the driver is a drug dealer or just held up the local 7-11.
If you make life easier for them, they are more inclined to go
easy on you.
Bob Haar InterNet : rh…@albert.cs.gmr.com
Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
this is to the guy who was screamed at by the police for not getting out of
his way. ( the policemans way)
I am not a policeman, I am a volunteer emt-type and I drive an ambulance
I have also a PA in the amb. and
quite a bit. I commonly see what you have described. If you read your
driving manual you will find that the correct way to yeild to an emergency
vehicle is to move RIGHT. It is never a good idea to move left. BUT
people always seem to. I move as far left as I can and lean on the siren.
eventually they move right. There are too many accidents in these types of
situations to try and guess what a driver is going to do. You cant, they
will do what you least expect. Dont bother to signal before you move
left. In the emergency situation their is far too much going on and much at
stake so that the ambulance driver must have a regular action. People
shall move right!! PLease remember this next time. your mistake was a basic
and you probably looked like an idiot
usually dont hesitate to use it. I am much more interested in the patient
and his health as well as those of the crew I am driving, than rattling
your nerves and seeming to make a personal insult at you. It isnt personal
but I will do my best to get you out of the way. Another thing, the last thing
you will want to do is be in an accident. You will get NO sympathy from
anyone. (in the amb. situation ) you will end up with a smashed car, a failure
to yeilf to an emergency vehicle ticket, and possibly more tickets. In
addition you will have delayed an ambulance and possibly injured their crew
and or patient. You will not look good. Your best bet is to move right!!
dont try and gues what the cop is doing , he will not do the same for you.
he has do pass 50-100 cars he cannot sit and guess which one is going
to pull a bonehead move next.
dont mean to flame you, but I see the situation from the other side.
jco…@scarecrow.csee.lehigh.edu