Hey, how are ya?
I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
These are things that would be nice to know before I buy that you can’t
really get from most articles in a car mag.
Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
2. Knowing what you know now would you have bought it?
3. Have you driven other cars in this class?
4. I have heard that they have rattle you around like popcorn on bumpy roads
and that they have horrible understeer under certain types of
acceleration/decceleration-is this true?
5. Are there any annoying rattles, like a corvette?
6. What is the real gas mileage assuming a person is a lead foot?
7. What are the slight difference between the year models?
8. Insurance nightmare?
I have had many people tell me NOT to get the 300ZX over the Stealth.
When asked why they just say they have "heard" that it is a much "better" car.
What’s up?
Thanks……Litz
Insurance is going to suck no matter which you get.
I’ll take my stealth any day over any 300Z that I’ve seen.
I’ve got 60K+ on my 91 and so far no probs and it is still real tight.
The only frustrating thing is that there are so many low end stealths and
3000gt’s running around.
In article <32eqsm$…@sashimi.wwa.com>,
Brent D Litzer <l…@sashimi.wwa.com> wrote:
>Hey, how are ya?
Hi, I had a 92 Stealth Twin Turbo, and I was happy the car itself, but my
local dealer (not where I bought the car) really turned me off.
>I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
>These are things that would be nice to know before I buy that you can’t
>really get from most articles in a car mag.
>Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
>1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
The car itself was fine. No major problems. The electronics on the switchable
suspension gave out, but Dodge replaced it free of charge.
>2. Knowing what you know now would you have bought it?
Yes. I got a great deal on it, and I was happy with is.
>3. Have you driven other cars in this class?
Yes. I drove a 300ZX, non-turbo. And while I really like t-tops, I coldn’t
justify $3000 for t-tops + extra handling.
While I will agree with everyone that the 300ZX handles better, I’m not
a professional driver, so I don’t usually take sharp curves at 70+mph.
HOWEVER, my Stealth handled great in the SNOW (6+ inches) and once I went
arount a curve a little to fast (it had just rained a bit, and the mixture
of oil+water made it bad), my back end broke loose, but he front end
pulled the car through the curve. Had I been in a real wheel car, I would
have bought it.
>4. I have heard that they have rattle you around like popcorn on bumpy roads
> and that they have horrible understeer under certain types of
> acceleration/decceleration-is this true?
Depends on where you have the suspension set. The touring suspension is
quite confortable, while the sport suspension is rough. It does have
problems with acceleration while steering….
>5. Are there any annoying rattles, like a corvette?
Not really.
>6. What is the real gas mileage assuming a person is a lead foot?
I got around 20mpg…. if you have a lead foot, I would guess around 15mpg.
>7. What are the slight difference between the year models?
couldn’t answer that, other then the new headlights and body style on the ’94.
The 3000GT has the active aerodynamics, which I don’t think is worth the
additional $5,000 they charged.
>8. Insurance nightmare?
Not at all, but then again Delaware isn’t too bad. I paid about $1,400/year
and this included $1,000,000 umbrella policy. As it turns out, the stealth
was only about $10 a month more then my Eagle Vision TSI.
>I have had many people tell me NOT to get the 300ZX over the Stealth.
>When asked why they just say they have "heard" that it is a much "better" car.
>What’s up?
>Thanks……Litz
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In article <32eqsm$…@sashimi.wwa.com>,
Brent D Litzer <l…@sashimi.wwa.com> wrote:
>I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
>Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
I owned a number of Z’s and assorted sports cars before I got my Stealth.
Z’s were always my favorites, until the Stealth came along.
I don’t think I’d ever go back.
I guess the difference is that the Z has evolved from a basic sports
car into a heavy semi-luxury sports car, whereas the Stealth was
engineered into a fast, comfortable machine to start with.
I love the way it handles, feels, looks. Strangers come up to you
and admire your Stealth, unlike Z’s which all look the same.
I’m trying to talk my fiance into going to the Bondurant Driving
School for our honeymoon, that’s how much I love it! He wants to
go on a cruise and learn to scuba dive (all you diving fans out
there, you dogs you).
Karen
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In article <32g3i9$…@strauss.udel.edu> sfl…@strauss.udel.edu (Steven James Flynn) writes:
>From: sfl…@strauss.udel.edu (Steven James Flynn)
>Subject: Re: Dodge Stealth RT Twin-Turbo(and Mitsu) Impressions
>Date: 12 Aug 1994 11:13:13 -0400
>While I will agree with everyone that the 300ZX handles better, I’m not
>a professional driver, so I don’t usually take sharp curves at 70+mph.
>HOWEVER, my Stealth handled great in the SNOW (6+ inches) and once I went
>arount a curve a little to fast (it had just rained a bit, and the mixture
>of oil+water made it bad), my back end broke loose, but he front end
>pulled the car through the curve. Had I been in a rear wheel car, I would
>have bought it.
Not if the car had acceleration (traction) control like 1992+ Corvettes and a
few other cars. This and ABS should be standard or optional equipment on all
vehicles (IMHO).
Regards,
Eric Webb
Brent D Litzer (l…@sashimi.wwa.com) wrote:
: Hey, how are ya?
Pretty good, thanks! (I usually am when I’m about to talk about my car…)
: I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
: These are things that would be nice to know before I buy that you can’t
: really get from most articles in a car mag.
: Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
: 1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
Great! I am not the original owner though. The original owner
had some work done on it (factory recall stuff) that was covered under
warantee.
: 2. Knowing what you know now would you have bought it?
Yes. More likely than not, I’m going to stay with this model.
Next step: a ’94 VR-4! (Hey, that rhymes…)
: 3. Have you driven other cars in this class?
Cars in its class… lessee…
Ferarri 328, Nissan 300ZXTT, Acura NSX, Chevy Corvette, Lexus SC 400,
Porsche 928s4, BMW 850i, Maybe the Acura Legend, oh yeah, the Mercedes 500SL.
Well, to be perfectly honest with you… No! I have not driven any
of these cars. The price was right when I found my car, and it didn’t take
too much deliberation on my part! ;-)
: 4. I have heard that they have rattle you around like popcorn on bumpy roads
: and that they have horrible understeer under certain types of
: acceleration/decceleration-is this true?
Sort of and sort of…
The tour setting is very forgiving, whereas the sport setting will,
of course, shake you up a bit more. (that’s the point of it).
This car reads the road almost too well. If the road is not
level, the car lets you know it. Personally, I don’t mind…
: 5. Are there any annoying rattles, like a corvette?
Nope.
: 6. What is the real gas mileage assuming a person is a lead foot?
The factory specs are what, 18 and 25? I don’t remember.
Expect about 16-20mpg in everyday driving (with a lead foot).
That’s about what I get, and I do like to accellerate! ;-)
On a recent 600 mile trip, I got about 22mpg. (This included some
street/city driving as well, and my average speed was about 85mph. Yes,
average…:-) I got ‘er up to 125mph before my police phobia forced me
to slow down. The faster I go, the more paranoid I get!
I gotta find a track!
: 7. What are the slight difference between the year models?
As far as I know, there are no differences in the 91-93 models, with
the only change in the ’94 being the enclosed, "Integra" style headlights.
: 8. Insurance nightmare?
Yes and no. Depends on your age, and all that demographic crap. For
a 19yr old in NYS, $3500/year. 50yr old in NYS, $1000/year.
Of course, you could just get liability and pay $500/year. I opted not
to, for obvious reasons.
: I have had many people tell me NOT to get the 300ZX over the Stealth.
: When asked why they just say they have "heard" that it is a much "better" car.
I don’t know much about the 300ZXTT except that it is slightly faster
than the Dodge/Mitsu’s. I’m not sure if I like the 300ZX’s styling…
It is lower to the ground, but, well, it just looks strange to me.
I’ll probably test drive one before my next car, but I still like
my car better, even if it is a tenth slower in the 0-60. (or whatever)
Someone, I think Steve Flynn, mentioned that he didn’t think the
Active Aero was worth the $5,000(?seems high…) more they charged,
but this reminds me of another point…
Resale value! The #1 car on the "resale value" list is a Porsche 928
somthing-or-other at 65% of original retail. #2, at 64% of original retail
is the Mitsubishi. Unless you are planning to run this car into
the ground, this is something to consider.
Whatever you get, try to get a warantee of some sort. I still have
some of the factory warantee left on my car. If anything goes wrong,
you are going to pay through the nose for parts and repairs. (with
either the Nissan or the Dodge/Mitsubishi)
Good luck, and I hope this helps!
: What’s up?
: Thanks……Litz
My pleasure, really!
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Brent D Litzer (l…@sashimi.wwa.com) wrote:
: I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
: 1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
I have a 1991 Stealth R/T Turbo.
It is awesome. I have almost 49,000 miles on it with NO significant problems
(unless you count the cost of replacing 3 tires so far – $750 total).
: 2. Knowing what you know now would you have bought it?
Yes, YES, a thousand times yes!
: 4. I have heard that they have rattle you around like popcorn on bumpy roads
: and that they have horrible understeer under certain types of
: acceleration/decceleration-is this true?
Of course the suspension is tight. The electronic suspension control (tour
v. sport) is noticeable. But, the tour mode is still fairly bumpy, especially
on bumpy roads. I haven’t noticed any understeer (AWD).
: 5. Are there any annoying rattles, like a corvette?
The only rattle I’ve notice is the rear hatch rattles some (not consistent).
: 6. What is the real gas mileage assuming a person is a lead foot?
I have gotten as good as 25 mpg (pure cross-country highway driving) and
as bad as 15 mpg (pure city stop and go driving) but I average about 20
to 22 mpg.
: 7. What are the slight difference between the year models?
Before this years model, the only differences have been the addition of more
options. The 1991 only had two options – leather and single CD. They’ve
added things like sunroof and CD changer. This years models features the
lack of pop-up headlights and and smooth hood lumps instead of tack-on
hood lumps. There is also a redesign of the front (significant) and rear (not
so significant) and the door scoops. And the Turbo is 320 bhp in the new
model vice 300 bhp for previous years and the addition of a sixth-speed to
the manual transmission and larger brakes (etc). Chrome wheels also became
an option this year. The Spyder should be out soon, too (I can dream!).
: 8. Insurance nightmare?
Once my insurance company discovered all my speeding tickets, yes (under 25,
single, high-risk, AACK!).
: I have had many people tell me NOT to get the 300ZX over the Stealth.
: When asked why they just say they have "heard" that it is a much "better" car.
The 300ZX is governed to 152 mph…
I’m always open to comment on my car…
Craig
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To fly is human, to hover is divine! ’91 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
chuff…@dmso.dtic.dla.mil I don’t think it up, I just type it.
>: I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
>: Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
Nice fast cars…
>: 1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
Don’t have one – just bought a new RX7 though. Have you considered one of
these. According to recent comparisons, it out performs all others in same
price/class. (Motor Trend, Car & Driver) I can say I have driven this and
the 300 zx turbo – looked at the mitsu and found the styling a little out of
my taste. The rx7 sure is ball to drive, and very fast.
steve.
In <spkatzmann.30.000E8…@ccgate.dp.beckman.com> spkatzm…@ccgate.dp.beckman.com (Steve Katzmann) writes:
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>>: I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
>>: Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
>Nice fast cars…
>>: 1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
>Don’t have one – just bought a new RX7 though. Have you considered one of
>these. According to recent comparisons, it out performs all others in same
>price/class. (Motor Trend, Car & Driver) I can say I have driven this and
>the 300 zx turbo – looked at the mitsu and found the styling a little out of
>my taste. The rx7 sure is ball to drive, and very fast.
>steve.
I second the motion, my ’94 rx7 has much more ‘punch’ than the other cars.
Definitely faster, and it is a lot more nimble.
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USF SAE (usf…@aol.com) wrote:
: Insurance is going to suck no matter which you get.
: I’ll take my stealth any day over any 300Z that I’ve seen.
: I’ve got 60K+ on my 91 and so far no probs and it is still real tight.
: The only frustrating thing is that there are so many low end stealths and
: 3000gt’s running around.
*SO* sorry to interfere with your driving pleasure. But, Daddy didn’t buy me
my car. USF SAE = University of South Florida Sigma Alpha Epsilon Frat, I can
only assume.
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r…@cbis.com
=> My opinions and statements do not necessarily <=
=> reflect the opinions or policies of my employer <=
Rob Lesieur (r…@cbis.com) wrote:
: USF SAE (usf…@aol.com) wrote:
: : Insurance is going to suck no matter which you get.
: : I’ll take my stealth any day over any 300Z that I’ve seen.
: : I’ve got 60K+ on my 91 and so far no probs and it is still real tight.
: : The only frustrating thing is that there are so many low end stealths and
: : 3000gt’s running around.
: *SO* sorry to interfere with your driving pleasure. But, Daddy didn’t buy me
: my car. USF SAE = University of South Florida Sigma Alpha Epsilon Frat, I can
: only assume.
Don’t hold back, tell us your true feelings…
Craig
Waah!
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To fly is human, to hover is divine! ’91 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
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In article <32petq$…@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, Scott…@ix.netcom.com
(Scott Yow) writes:
> The rx7 sure is ball to drive, and very fast.
>>steve.
>I second the motion, my ’94 rx7 has much more ‘punch’ than the other
>cars.
>Definitely faster, and it is a lot more nimble.
I also agree with these comments. I test drove all of the twin turbo cars
and to me the RX7 was in a class of its own. However. I was seduced by the
sound of the Z/28 manufacturing its torque. And the rest, as they say, is
history. I have supercharged it and now must give time or lengths to all
of the turbos.
In <spkatzmann.30.000E8…@ccgate.dp.beckman.com>, spkatzm…@ccgate.dp.beckman.com (Steve Katzmann) writes:
>>: I am looking at buying a Dodge Sealth 92 RT turbo or a Nissan 300zx.
>>: Any comments on any of these would be greatly helpful.
>Nice fast cars…
>>: 1. If you have one,,, how has it been to you?
>Don’t have one – just bought a new RX7 though. Have you considered one of
>these. According to recent comparisons, it out performs all others in same
>price/class. (Motor Trend, Car & Driver) I can say I have driven this and
>the 300 zx turbo – looked at the mitsu and found the styling a little out of
>my taste. The rx7 sure is ball to drive, and very fast.
>steve.
Not true. According to the R&D and C&D issues I’ve seen lately they seem to prefer
the new Supra. I myself think the RX7 is quite nice. I’m 6’6" and I’ve looked at the
Mitsu, 300ZX, RX7, Corvette, and Supra. The RX7 fits me nicer for the imports, but
the Vette still has the most room for someone my size.
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In article <330s95$…@search01.news.aol.com> lcy…@aol.com (Lcyber) writes:
>From: lcy…@aol.com (Lcyber)
>Subject: Re: Dodge Stealth RT Twin-Turbo(and Mitsu) Impressions
>Date: 18 Aug 1994 19:53:09 -0400
>In article <32petq$…@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, Scott…@ix.netcom.com
>(Scott Yow) writes:
>I also agree with these comments. I test drove all of the twin turbo cars
>and to me the RX7 was in a class of its own. However. I was seduced by the
>sound of the Z/28 manufacturing its torque. And the rest, as they say, is
>history. I have supercharged it and now must give time or lengths to all
>of the turbos.
What kind of supercharger did you install and what boost levels does it
provide? Did you need a special ECM to change the fuel delivery and timing?
I’m thinking about putting one on my LT1. What about detonation as the engine
already has a 10.5:1 static compression ratio? Thanks.
Regards,
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>Not true. According to the R&D and C&D issues I’ve seen lately they seem to prefer
>the new Supra. I myself think the RX7 is quite nice. I’m 6’6" and I’ve looked at the
>Mitsu, 300ZX, RX7, Corvette, and Supra. The RX7 fits me nicer for the imports, but
>the Vette still has the most room for someone my size.
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I am also in the process of buying a car and narrowed my choices to a
94 RX7 R2, 94 Supra Turbo and a very low mileage 93 911. I test drove each
one and was very disappointed with the Supra – notchy (and noisy) gearbox,
much turbo lag and the interia was cheap. The RX7 on the other hand had
the best gearbox I have ever experienced, superb lag-free power and the
ride was no where near as hard as the press would have you believe. The 911
won me over though – rock solid, superbly direct steering and a wonderful
howl from the flat 6.
Paul
Joshua Simer (jmsi…@husc7.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Scott Yow (Scott…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: : I second the motion, my ’94 rx7 has much more ‘punch’ than the other cars.
: : Definitely faster, and it is a lot more nimble.
: : —
: : -=SCOTT=- Scott…@ix.netcom.com
: True, but in the real world… it may depend a bit on where you
: are, but the 3000GT/Stealth is much more practical, especially if you
: change the tires but I’ve heard from people who say that even with the
: performance tires on the GT/Stealth, that they get great traction in the
: worst weather. Unfortunately, AWD means weight, which means that even
: though the GT/Stealth has 20 more hp than the 300ZX and 75 more than the
: RX-7, it’s a little slower. Perhaps a full second 0-60 more than the
: RX-7 (~5.0 versus ~6.0), and a couple tenths slower than the ZX. The
: GT’s active aero system probably adds more weight, so I’d go with the
: Stealth if you’re after performance.
Actually, most road tests put the 3000GT VR-4 a couple of tenths
ahead of the Stealth R/T Turbo, and it has a better resale value than
the Stealth. (In fact, the Mitsubishi has the 2nd highest resale value
today.)
: The comparison in regard to styling is up to you, but personally I
: think the 3000GT/Stealth is the best-looking car in the history of
: mankind and the upcoming redesign has me worried because I don’t think
: it’s humanly possible to improve on its looks.
Redesign? Again? I hadn’t heard about that one…
: In addition, you may like having the 6-speed transmission in the
: GT/Stealth.
: I don’t know where the cars rank in initial quality in the
: Consumer Reports or JD Powers surveys, but this would be good to know.
They rank right up there. CR loves the car, although they admit
that repairs can be expensive.
: In the final analysis, though, you have to realize this: the
: performance difference among these matters little in the real world.
Exactly.
: What you are probably buying this car for is for the image – either to
: impress other people or to have a car you feel good about. None of these
: cars are very practical, though the Stealth has a slight advantage. You
: have to go with the car that feels best for you. You can’t really make a
: rational decision about which sports car to buy, because buying a sports
: car is irrational.
Well, that’s true I guess. But the Stealth/3000GT does have a
back seat (albeit a small one) so it could serve as a family car until
the kids grew up…
: WHich doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing to do… hell, I’d kill for the
: 3000GT VR-4 Spyder any day of the week and twice on Sundays….
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Jon N. Steiger (stei0…@mary.cs.fredonia.edu) wrote:
: Actually, most road tests put the 3000GT VR-4 a couple of tenths
: ahead of the Stealth R/T Turbo, and it has a better resale value than
: the Stealth. (In fact, the Mitsubishi has the 2nd highest resale value
: today.)
Because people ASSUME imports are better even if its the same car (take,
for example that the Eclipse outsells the Talon and Laser 2:1 put
together, and thy’re made in the same plant in the US!).
: : The comparison in regard to styling is up to you, but personally I
: : think the 3000GT/Stealth is the best-looking car in the history of
: : mankind and the upcoming redesign has me worried because I don’t think
: : it’s humanly possible to improve on its looks.
Here, here!
: Redesign? Again? I hadn’t heard about that one…
The Stealth / 3000GT is up for a major redesign in 1996.
Craig
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