hi:
I am planning to buy an Acura Integra GS-R 1994 model. Is the car worth the
price. Any experiences, feedback would be very helpful.
nirmal bajoria
16
Jan
Acura Integra GS-R
As an owner of a non-1994, non-GS-R Integra, a think the new model is
quite good. I have driven both the 142hp and 170hp Integras in both
three and four door models. I think the performance advantage of the
GS-R is certainly considerable, though you do have to work the engine
a bit harder to get the most of it. Personally, I would go for the
four door. The hatchback is much smaller than mine (1992 model) and
in GS-R trim, the four door is a lot more subtle (i.e. you’re less
likely to be noticed by thieves and/or police!).
– akon…@aol.com
>I am planning to buy an Acura Integra GS-R 1994 model. Is the car worth the
>price. Any experiences, feedback would be very helpful.
Check out the June ’94 issue of Consumer Reports, starting on page 415, for a
review of the Integra GS-R, the Celiga GT, and the Mustang GT and V6. They
liked the Integra best of the four. YMMV.
Scott Leapman …Hopeless Shopaholic
Boca Raton, Florida !!! Newton Rules !!!
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Nirmal Bajoria (bajo…@ccs.neu.edu) wrote:
: hi:
: I am planning to buy an Acura Integra GS-R 1994 model. Is the car worth the
: price. Any experiences, feedback would be very helpful.
: nirmal bajoria
Check out the June issue of Car and Driver. They review 9 cars in the
Integra’s class, and you’ll be excited to note that the Integra came
in first place.
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In article <CqF9yL….@news.arco.com>,
Steve Cutchen <scutc…@arco.com> wrote:
> Or does the
>variable valve timing cure all? If so, why the low max torque?
My understanding is that the low torque figures are due to its
displacement. Not to knock down on Integras (I think they’re
fine cars, just that I don’t like their looks from the front in
this newest generation) but it reminds me of a well-known saying
"there’s no replacement for displacement." Does anyone know what
the normal Integra’s torque figures are–I think it and VTEC
variety are about the same.
Ken
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Integra RS and LS: 142 hp @ 6300 rpm, 127#’ torque @ 5200 rpm
Integra GS-R: 170 hp @ 7600 rpm, 128 #’ torque @ 6200 rpm
Looking at the graph of the torque curve, I would estimate about 110
lbs-ft of torque from about 2000 rpm to about 7500 rpm, so its
relatively flat. With the really nice shifter in this car, I don’t
see how anyone could mind having to downshift in order to pass. I
haven’t driven the GS-R, but the LS definitely needs to be shifted in
order to go move quickly.
–
Tom DelRosario "Gabba gabba hey"
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In article <2s321d$…@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Thomas V. DelRosario,
tom…@glue.umd.edu writes:
>Integra RS and LS: 142 hp @ 6300 rpm, 127#’ torque @ 5200 rpm
>Integra GS-R: 170 hp @ 7600 rpm, 128 #’ torque @ 6200 rpm
Thanks for adding data to the discussion… I’m surprised at the relative
torque numbers. Am I right in assuming that both cars would accelerate roughly
the same from the same RPM in top gear, and that the GS-R would only benefit by
having the higher redline (stay in lower gear longer?)
—ssc
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Steve Cutchen Upon reflection,these opinions may not even be my own;
scutc…@arco.com they’re certainly not my employer’s…
I have two conerns about the Integra GS-R. First the previous model
GS-R VTEC (160 hp) had reliability problems in its first year which
were not publicized; camshaft breakage. Apparently this was a problem
in Japan and did occur in Integra’s sold in this country. Honda never
acknowledged this but there were many examples of this on the net
about two years ago. I assume that the problem has been fixed but
since they never admitted to the previous problem its difficult to
know that the defect has been completely eliminated. The second
question I have relates to the slightly recessed projector beam
headlights. Do they accumulate snow in the winter? They look like
they might in a significant snowstorm which would make driving in the
dark difficult and possibly dangerous. Can anyone comment on this
since I am interested in a non-GS-R 94 Integra.
Herb Samuels
>>>>> "K" == Ken Lui <k…@corp.hp.com> writes:
In article <2s2u8v$…@hpscit.sc.hp.com> k…@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes:
K> In article <CqF9yL….@news.arco.com>,
K> Steve Cutchen <scutc…@arco.com> wrote:
>> Or does the
>> variable valve timing cure all? If so, why the low max torque?
>>
K> My understanding is that the low torque figures are due to its
K> displacement. Not to knock down on Integras (I think they’re
K> fine cars, just that I don’t like their looks from the front in
K> this newest generation) but it reminds me of a well-known saying
K> "there’s no replacement for displacement." Does anyone know what
K> the normal Integra’s torque figures are–I think it and VTEC
K> variety are about the same.
Well, torque is limited by displacement, but it also involves
tradeoffs in engine, intake, and exhaust design. VTEC does help
maximize torque given the other choices already made to give it high
end hp. Basically, you could get a non-VTEC engine to about the same
hp for the displacement, but it would be severely lacking bottom end
torque, might have trouble idling smoothly, etc.
Basically, the GS-R is a short stroke (low torque) rev puppy. 4 valve
per cylinder enhance the high end breathing, and aggressive cam
profiles allow lots of overlap at high rpm. The VTEC can’t change the
stroke of the engine, but it does essentially change the cam profile
to a milder version (does it still open all valves, or some just not
as much? I forget) which is better for low end torque at low revs,
then goes to the wild cam profile at the top for hp. If the engine
were longer stroke to start with, it would have more torque, but less
hp and a lot lower redline.
Jeff Goss
In article <2rtn21$…@narnia.ccs.neu.edu> Nirmal Bajoria, bajo…@ccs.neu.edu
writes:
>hi:
>I am planning to buy an Acura Integra GS-R 1994 model. Is the car worth the
>price. Any experiences, feedback would be very helpful.
>nirmal bajoria
It seems like a nice enough car. C&D likes it. I’m not partial to the looks.
(For me, it fits into the same mold as the new Celica… I loved the last
Integra, though.)
I’d worry about the disparity in torque and HP ratings. HP is 170 or so (at
like 7500 RPM), but if I remember, torqure is only about 130 or so (at about
3000 RPM?). The relatively high HP comes from RPMs. You have to rev the weewee
out of it… I would test drive it and check out top gear acceleration from,
say, 45 to 50 MPH. I would want it to accelerate on par with its sport coupe
classmates in this range without needing a downshift. Anyone have C&Ds 30-50 top
gear accel numbers versus, say, a Probe GT?
I had a ’85 TBird TCoupe which hardly saw 5th gear in freeway traffic because
the low end grunt was so low. The turbo kicked in functionally at about 2800 to
3000 RPM, so in traffic, I stayed in 4th up to about 65 MPH or so. This GS-R
engine with its high RPM design may act in a similar manner. Or does the
variable valve timing cure all? If so, why the low max torque?
Can any GS-R owners provide insight?
—ssc
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Steve Cutchen Upon reflection,these opinions may not even be my own;
scutc…@arco.com they’re certainly not my employer’s…
>Nirmal Bajoria (bajo…@ccs.neu.edu) wrote:
>: I am planning to buy an Acura Integra GS-R 1994 model. Is the car worth the
>: price. Any experiences, feedback would be very helpful.
I just bought one (4-door). It easliy outclassed the competition
(Mazda 626, Mistu Galant, Subary Legacy, Nissan Altima) in terms
of performance, drivability, features, and comfort (I’m 6’2"). It was
also the second least expensive, comparable equipped.
Ralph Becker
Xyplex Customer Support [Tech. Support hotline 800-435-7997]
rbec…@sup.xyplex.com or 71174.1…@compuserve.com
In article <2s0lsd$…@search01.news.aol.com> akon…@aol.com (AKONOWE) writes:
>As an owner of a non-1994, non-GS-R Integra, a think the new model is
>quite good. I have driven both the 142hp and 170hp Integras in both
>three and four door models. I think the performance advantage of the
>GS-R is certainly considerable, though you do have to work the engine
>a bit harder to get the most of it.
I drove the ’94 GS-R and had the following impressions:
- Goes like a bat out of hell, handles extremely well
– Very fast chassis response
– Took a familiar tight S-bend possibly faster than any other car I have driven
- Feels cheesy like a base Honda coupe. Mediocre trim level.
– Really noisy
– No leather was even available at the time
– Annoying plastic-chrome parking brake release button and power window switch
I just couldn’t drive this car quickly on a day-to-day basis. You have to
rev the hell out of it. If you take this car out to the test track like the
magazine reviewers do, it’s really buckets of fun, but the engine is
impractical (disadvantaged versus the competition at least) for use in city
traffic. You feel like you’re going to break the engine. It alarms
passengers.
In normal driving, an MX-6/Probe, Diamond Star or Saab 900 Coupe will stomp
all over the GS-R.
BTW, the Saab Aero 2.3 litre Trionic turbo produces 225bhp @5500 rpm and an
amazing 252lb-ft @1800(!) rpm. And Honda gets all the press… go figure.
Kai
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> I drove the ’94 GS-R and had the following impressions:
> – Goes like a bat out of hell, handles extremely well
> – Very fast chassis response
> – Took a familiar tight S-bend possibly faster than any other car I have driven
> – Feels cheesy like a base Honda coupe. Mediocre trim level.
I looked at the Probe and the older diamond star twins, and the trim
level/interior in the integra is much nicer.
> – Really noisy
Yea, but it’s a really _NICE_ noisy. I love hearing those 16 valves
screaming as I hit 7000 RPM. Name a normally aspirated 16-valve engine
that sounds nicer than the Integra, is as smooth, and puts out as much power.
> – No leather was even available at the time
Cloth seats rule as far as I’m concerned.
> – Annoying plastic-chrome parking brake release button and power window switch
Maybe ugly… Annoying, I don’t think so.
> I just couldn’t drive this car quickly on a day-to-day basis. You have to
> rev the hell out of it. If you take this car out to the test track like the
> magazine reviewers do, it’s really buckets of fun, but the engine is
> impractical (disadvantaged versus the competition at least) for use in city
> traffic. You feel like you’re going to break the engine. It alarms
> passengers.
Come on… The cool thing about the GS-R is its dual personality. You can
drive it sedate, _OR_ you can get on it, and it goes like a bat-outta-hell!!!
I don’t understand you’re "impractical in traffic" theory either. I drive
mine in Boston, and it’s a blast to drive in traffic.
> In normal driving, an MX-6/Probe, Diamond Star or Saab 900 Coupe will stomp
> all over the GS-R.
Sorry dude, whenever I see a Probe GT, the last thing I do is drive
"normal".
> BTW, the Saab Aero 2.3 litre Trionic turbo produces 225bhp @5500 rpm and an
> amazing 252lb-ft @1800(!) rpm. And Honda gets all the press… go figure.
And people think the GS-R is ugly???
/tony
"Jazz isn’t dead, it just smells funny." – FZ
In article <2slcca$…@transfer.stratus.com> te…@sw.stratus.com (Tony Espy) writes:
>> I drove the ’94 GS-R and had the following impressions:
[impressions deleted]
>> – Feels cheesy like a base Honda coupe. Mediocre trim level.
> I looked at the Probe and the older diamond star twins, and the trim
> level/interior in the integra is much nicer.
I agree that it’s at least equal to, if not better than, the Probe. The MX-6
is _much_ nicer though, and I think the Diamond Stars are as well, that’s
one reason I’ve had two of them (Eclipse GS &GSX, now a 3000GT VR4).
>> – Really noisy
> Yea, but it’s a really _NICE_ noisy. I love hearing those 16 valves
> screaming as I hit 7000 RPM. Name a normally aspirated 16-valve engine
> that sounds nicer than the Integra, is as smooth, and puts out as much power.
Chevrolet LT-1. Just kidding! It _is_ a 16-valve engine though
Seriously
though, how about the BMW 1.8, Saab 2.3, and Porsche 3.0 litre (water cooled)
engines.
>> – No leather was even available at the time
> Cloth seats rule as far as I’m concerned.
Fine; buy a Prelude VTEC. Acura is a luxury performance car line.
It needs leather upholstery.
>> – Annoying plastic-chrome parking brake release button and power window switch
> Maybe ugly… Annoying, I don’t think so.
Precisely.
>> In normal driving, an MX-6/Probe, Diamond Star or Saab 900 Coupe will stomp
>> all over the GS-R.
> Sorry dude, whenever I see a Probe GT, the last thing I do is drive
> "normal".
My point exactly, you need to do something special to beat a Probe.
Nothing like effortless V6 torque.
>> BTW, the Saab Aero 2.3 litre Trionic turbo produces 225bhp @5500 rpm and an
>> amazing 252lb-ft @1800(!) rpm. And Honda gets all the press… go figure.
> And people think the GS-R is ugly???
Not in black, that hides the silly hood seam
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